Allan D. and Jeremy just forwarded me the email thread stating that the user list might be held off until later.
I have no idea how I missed this - I use GMail for mail, and I've searched all folders, and no results come up. That I didn't reply to any of the responses when I was the one who initiated the thread should hopefully be evidence enough that I wasn't aware of it. I believe it should still be set up, per the approved Proposal. Even if the traffic is low, that doesn't hurt anything. The OS world expects at a minimum dev lists and user lists - we should have them both, especially since they have already been approved. On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CC'ing to dev so our mentors can review... > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Les Hazlewood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Actually, in our Incubator Proposal, section 3.1, we had asked for 4 >> lists, one of which was a user list, the intention of which was to have it >> from day one. This was publicly available for review by anyone for weeks. >> The proposal was reviewed extensively and voted upon by the Incubator PMC, >> and no one once said that a user list should be postponed. >> >> I don't know where you've seen arguments to sticking with the dev list for >> now - I've never heard of these, and I'm rather surprised that a user list >> does not yet exist. >> >> I guess what I'm saying is that the Proposal has been voted upon and >> approved - there is no further need to vote internally for a user list. If >> you want to hold a vote, it should be to reverse what has already been >> approved - that we vote to _not_ set up the already-approved list. >> >> I will vote a hearty -1 for such a proposal. User lists have nothing to >> do with traffic and have everything to do with routing. Most end-users >> don't want to be bothered by architecture or implementation internal >> details. And since we don't have a Forum product in the Incubator >> infrastructure, there is _no_ outlet for end users for communication other >> than the current dev list. That is not what the dev list is for. That we >> already have more user subscribers than dev subscribers in our current >> infrastructure should shed to light its importance and reason for >> provisioning. >> >> My .02 >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> This has been discussed several times on the incubator list, and has >>> always been left somewhat unanswered. If we need to hold a vote on it, we >>> can but the current decision and what was in our original proposal was to >>> just have a dev list at the beginning. >>> Alan, based on past experience, recommended not creating a user list >>> until there was enough traffic so as to have a more interesting list to >>> subscribe to and not have a list that's mostly dead. >>> >>> I don't agree with setting one up immediately (i.e. without discussion >>> and/or a vote), especially since there have been arguments for sticking with >>> just the dev list for now. I don't see why a project should have multiple >>> lists if the traffic on one list is small. >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> No. There is no [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. We are not >>>> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to require one. >>> >>> >>> I didn't know there wasn't one yet. Who determined that "we are not >>> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to require one"? Is >>> this an Incubator practice? >>> >>> A user list has nothing to do with traffic - it has to do with routing >>> appropriate requests - dev list posts are for the people committing to and >>> contributing to the project. User list posts are for end users who just >>> want to ask questions or help other end users out. >>> >>> If we don't have a user list set up, I'm cc'ing Alan and Craig - every OS >>> project should have these two lists at a bare minimum... We have a user >>> list now, with more subscribers on it than the dev list - we need to mirror >>> this in the incubator infrastructure. >>> >>> Alan, Craig? Can we get this set up asap? >>> >>> - Les >>> >>> use the [email protected] list for any questions >>>> related to JSecurity. >>>> >>>> You can find information on our mailing lists and how to subscribe here: >>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JSEC/Mailing+Lists >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Peter Ledbrook wrote: >>>> >>>> 2008/7/1 Les Hazlewood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>>>> >>>>>> P.S. Also, just a friendly reminder - please use the >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. We'll be moving away from >>>>>> the >>>>>> codehaus lists shortly! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do we have this yet? I thought we only had "jsecurity-dev" so far? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit: >>>>> >>>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit: >>>> >>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
