Thanks Les! oh no, I didn't mean to imply there's no such meaning, just that I, as a regular European with no skills whatsoever in Chinese/Japanese written or verbal language, have never heard it. It's very fascinating at least to me to hear this explanation that offers a glimpse to the secrets behind Kanji.
Kalle On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Les Hazlewood <[email protected]> wrote: > That's because 'fortress' isn't used in the modern Japanese vernacular all > that often, unless you're sightseeing or reading up on Japanese history in > Kanji :). It is certainly referenced even less often (and pronounced) in > English, which is why you probably haven't heard of it. This is probably > the big reason why it hasn't had any naming conflicts and is why I proposed > it :) > > But, just to clarify: > > Chinese characters (called Kanji in Japanese) can have multiple > pronunciations depending if they're read by themselves or when attached to > other Kanji. It is not uncommon for the same character to have up to 4 or > 5 > different pronunciations depending on how it is used. 'Ki' in the context > of energy, or spirit, is what you referred to Kalle, is written like this: > > �� > > which is certainly different from 城 . But this is just one of dozens of > characters that can be pronounced 'ki'. > > If you use the same wwwjdic search I referenced before and type in 'ki' and > then click on the 'Romaji' radio button, you'll see over 100+ results for > characters that can be pronounced as 'ki'. > > So, although I am probably less experienced in Japanese martial arts than > you (I'm only a lowly shodan in Kendo), I am what I guess most people would > call functionally fluent in the language. So, I would definitely not steer > anyone wrong - I promise everyone I did my research before posting the name > as a suggestion :) > > Best, > > Les > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Kalle Korhonen > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > I haven't heard "Ki" being ever interpreted as "fortress". After 15 years > > of > > martial arts training, Ki means this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) > to > > me, but there are many other meanings, see > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiand > > http://unofficial.ki-society.org/ki-usage.html. > > > > Kalle > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Jeremy Haile <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Les, > > > > > > You mentioned that "Ki" means fortress in Japanese. Do you have any > > links > > > that talk about this? I'd like to be more well-versed in some of the > > > various meanings/reasons behind calling it that. Obviously, as time > goes > > on > > > hopefully we'll just build the branding up so that it doesn't matter, > but > > I > > > think having some meaning behind a name is nice to explain the name > > change > > > to people now. > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jeremy Haile wrote: > > > > > > Yeah - I definitely like the shortness for the official name, jar > files > > >> (ki.jar), abbreviations, packages, etc. > > >> > > >> I'm referring more to branding, saying it out loud, etc. I think > saying > > >> Ki Security is nice because people instantly understand it's a > security > > >> library. BTW - are we allowed to call it Apache Ki while it's still > in > > >> incubation? Or would it be better to call it "Ki Security" until it > > >> graduates? > > >> > > >> > > >> On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: > > >> > > >> Jeremy Haile wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Given that most people will never have heard of Ki or associate the > > term > > >>>> "Ki" with security at first, does it make more sense to call it "Ki > > >>>> Security" or something that immediately alerts users to the purpose > of > > the > > >>>> project? This could either be the official name or a secondary name > > that we > > >>>> commonly use to communicate the project's purpose. > > >>>> > > >>> The official name will be Apache Ki, it can be extended and > advertized > > as > > >>> Apache Ki Security, aka AKS. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> -- > > >>> cordialement, regards, > > >>> Emmanuel Lécharny > > >>> www.iktek.com > > >>> directory.apache.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > >
