> > > Regarding the ant files, the best would have been to get a bit more formal >> approval at some point (well, a vote), but again, I don't see that as an big >> mistake to have done the switch from ant to maven as we already lengthly >> discussed this matter last year. >> > > Discussion, yes. Consensus, no. > > Look, I would love to just keep my mouth shut, especially since things are > going my way, but this is the Incubator and I think we're all overlooking > that there are community issues that are being overlooked for the sake of > expediency, i.e. code is being held as the priority over community. This > isn't the ASF way.
This is entirely my fault. I remember talking to Jeremy and Tim and Peter a month or two ago, and based on your comments, I now realize it must have been off-list (phone? I can't remember now). They basically agreed that the move to Maven would be ok since our project was not complicated and they wouldn't have to worry about custom plugins or anything like that (which might have been a deterrent to using Maven for them otherwise). So, based on previous list discussion, plus these now-apparent external discussions, I made the change with the knowledge that it would be OK by everyone on the team. I talk with some of these guys off-list quite frequently (phone call, IM) as they are my friends, and mostly the conversations aren't about software or ASF or these types of things. Sometimes some JSecurity stuff slips in to the discussions though. This one time however it didn't occur to me that the Maven consensus was not on the dev list. I make a lot of efforts to tell people to put _everything_ on the list, especially people new to the community or people contacting me for private help because I *do* in all sincerity understand why it needs to be so. This one particular instance slipped passed me I guess since the conversation was quite a while ago - I just forgot. So, I apologize for the confusion, and I hopefully will remember where my discussions are so I can ensure there is a record in an open forum to avoid these things in the future. This is the first such occurence that I know of, so I think I've been doing well thus far. Its just sometimes these things blur when you talk with people off list regularly. My apologies, Les
