Andrew Jaquith wrote:
Janne did sound a tad cranky. I think he was simply offering advice similar to what my boss used to say when I'd bring him a problem. He would say, "don't bring me a monkey without bringing me the cage too."

I'd echo most of what he said. The goals of 2.8 were to have an Apache-licensed version, with very few API changes and a modest set of enhancements. This puts us on track to do the real Apache release, with the org.apache structure, for 3.0.

Murray, I know that your Ceryle integration work has been substantial. Clearly, that's a significant investment in your time. Certainly, we need to do a better job summarizing the key changes between versions so that ports and recompilations are as smooth as possible. I'm looking into tools like JarJarDiff that help spotlight API changes. Also, quick summaries of changes for developers and deployers would be good. The Stripes folks do this quite well, and I'm planning on copying their format.

Andrew,

That would be excellent. As I mentioned, I don't disagree with the
2.8 deliverable schedule -- we're an Apache project now.

Murray

PS. I have a boss who would not only want a monkey and a cage, he'd want
    a banana milkshake too. Reminds me of:

  Engineer: Hey, I bought us a monkey! Let's stick him in a bagel and then
          he'll do our taxes! (http://www.monkeybagel.com/monkeybagel.html)
  [though I can't believe somebody created a website just for that joke]
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