Our mentors can help in dotting the i's. So if you want to do drive the thing forward, please make a list of stuff to be done and start executing from the top.
The problem has never been the lack of ideas or discussion. The problem - as always - is the lack of people who're willing and able to actually do something. And as with most open source, those people who do the work get to decide what goes in. /Janne On 3 Jan 2012, at 10:42, Michael Gerzabek wrote: > JSPWikiers, > > as I put in my previous mail, it's more about the agendas - the implicit > and explicit ones - than a question about failure. I don't see that > incubation failed! There are just to many people out there that do > interesting things with the software OUTSIDE the JSPWiki repository. And > let me ask those folks: > > Why are you doing this? Why do you fork JSPWiki? What value do you see > in this? What does it help you achieve? And what direction would the > trunk of JSPWiki need to evolve, that you would be willing to contribute > and have the value that you want to get out of JSPWiki? > > Anyway. The main task I see is this: Get people back on the train. How > to approach? Interestingly the steps are similar to the ones Janne > supposed. > > 1.) Radically declare the JSPWIKI_2_8_BRANCH as release. This one does > have awesome features and is time tested. Future visions should be based > on that version. > > 2.) Prepare the necessary reports. This is where I would be willing to > learn what's necessary to do if someone is willing to point me in the > right direction. > > 3.) Start a discussion about future ideas and steps. > > JSPWiki, the one before 3.0.0, is a mature project. Why bother? > > One thought about the host. OS is always about people. And it doesn't > matter if the repo is on GitHub, sourceforge or somewhere else. Sure. > But wait a minute. It does matter! > > The Apache umbrella brings a widely accepted reputation and has a huge > user group in the Java world. This all ships for a rather small price - > the reports. Compare this to the usual GitHub projects. Many of them are > one-man-shows. The recognition is always just the project alone. No > umbrella. No synergies. So I strongly argue to do the incubation and use > the benefits of beeing a TLP Apache project. > > just my two cents, > Michael > > > > Am 02/01/2012 23:45, schrieb Christophe Dupriez: >> Dear Janne and core JSPWiki committers, >> >> What is the sustainable structure where YOU would still have the >> energy to be involved ? >> What would be the goal YOU would pursue? >> >> Most of us have their own agenda: the weight of managing a community >> is bearable only if enough agendas have many things in common... >> >> For me, 2.8.4 is a nice base: I modify it for CK support and >> integration with terminology management and other "details" >> (example: >> http://www.destin-informatique.com/ASKOSI/Wiki.jsp?page=jita_THIN ) >> >> Your leadership is essential: please do what you can bear. >> What would be nice is to make a "gallery" of our best "forks" to >> eventually decide what we put in common in the future. >> >> Good night! >> >> Christophe >> >> Le 2/01/2012 22:50, Janne Jalkanen a écrit : >>> Folks, >>> >>> it seems that we haven't been able to produce an Apache-ready version >>> of JSPWiki for over three (four?) years now. 3.0 was obviously too >>> complex to deliver, and it's still badly broken. It would need a lot >>> of work to refactor into a state where it would actually be usable, >>> and I don't know whether anyone has the time to do it. So far it >>> seems that we're not getting a whole lot of new contributors. >>> >>> So what I'm proposing is fairly radical: let's forget about Apache >>> and move over to GitHub. GitHub's contribution model is simpler (pull >>> requests are easier to create and handle than patches on JIRA >>> tickets), and we don't have to worry about preparing governance >>> reports and that sort of stuff. >>> >>> The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people >>> who can create good software. So far our community seems to be >>> dwindling more than increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I >>> just haven't had the time nor the interest to put into this project). >>> So I don't think it's wrong to say that our incubation has >>> essentially failed, and that we should consider some other avenue, >>> and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator. >>> >>> Of course, now is the time for people to step up and say that "yes, I >>> am willing to take charge and turn JSPWiki into a good Apache Top >>> Level project." :-D I would welcome such people, but I know I don't >>> have it in me anymore. >>> >>> /Janne >>> >> >>
