well exactly your last point, my guess is that currently many google searches end up on jspwiki.org. If we delete content there, we should at least leave pointers to the new wiki, making sure people can still find us.. And you're right, there is no hurry.
regards, Harry On 2 December 2012 18:01, Glen Mazza <glen.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Apparently docs.wiki is already all Commons-Licensed (looking at the > license at the bottom of the page), so that can probably move over 100% > immediately, with the corresponding docs.jspwiki site closed down, as well > as the sandbox wiki. So that's 2 out of 3 right there. > > For the rest, I don't see a rush. I think the main goal should be that > everything on the new Wiki be Apache-licensed. If we can create it now and > it takes a few months for jspwiki.org to be shrunk, that should be also > OK. (2) below can probably be done soon--you're just deleting from the > left-side menu the stuff that is already on the main Apache site--and (1) > and (3) more gradually over time. > > I would recommend though against jspwiki.org being an endless archive, as > it will keep showing up in Google. Rather to keep scavenging from it > (either delete unused material, or *move* the material elsewhere but never > just *copy* it and retain it in two places) and let it get smaller and > smaller over time. > > Regards, > Glen > > > On 12/02/2012 11:38 AM, Harry Metske wrote: > >> In general I agree with Glen that we should thoroughly clean out "the old >> stuff". >> But I don't like the idea of completely deleting it very soon. >> I prefer starting with a clean 2.9.0 wiki at the new Apache VM and copying >> over relevant stuff from the old wiki if the license permits so. >> (immediately eating our own dogfood) >> Once the basic structure of the new wiki is complete, we put a clear hint >> on the old wiki that is has become a sort of archive and refer/redirect to >> the new wiki. >> Then, we could have a look at the statistics (access.log ? pagecounts?) of >> the old wiki, and decide if it is still useful. >> >> (We could also host a new SandBox wiki in the new VM, right?) >> >> regards, >> Harry >> >> >> On 2 December 2012 16:57, Glen Mazza (JIRA) <j...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> [ >>> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/JSPWIKI-739?page=** >>> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.**system.issuetabpanels:comment-** >>> tabpanel&focusedCommentId=**13508296#comment-13508296<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-739?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13508296#comment-13508296> >>> ] >>> >>> Glen Mazza commented on JSPWIKI-739: >>> ------------------------------**------ >>> >>> I don't like Roy's answer here (from the email you cited above): >>> >>> "In other words, you can just say >>> >>> Unless otherwise noted, contributions to this wiki are licensed >>> to the Apache Software Foundation as contributions under the >>> Apache License, version 2.0." >>> >>> We're just kicking the can down the road by having licensing *other* than >>> Apache License, Version 2.0 on the new wiki. Companies use the WikiText >>> in >>> their documentation and they need the comfort that it's 100% >>> Apache-licensed and can be freely used just like Apache source code. >>> Going >>> forward, it needs to be understood that whatever a person writes on the >>> Apache Wiki is immediately Apache-licensed, and if they don't like that, >>> then don't post any Wiki content (i.e., no "unless otherwise noted" >>> section >>> that Roy is suggesting). I.e., we need to have a proverbial fire where >>> all >>> old records are lost so we can start anew with 100% Apache licensed >>> Content. >>> >>> What I see here is a three-step process: >>> 1.) Shrink jspwiki.org by deleting as many outdated or marginally useful >>> pages as possible. For example, the UserList can completely go (it's out >>> of date and we can create a brand-new user list later), and most of the >>> Ongoing Discussion links predate 2010 and hence also can be removed. >>> This, >>> for example >>> (http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/**JSPWikiDependencies<http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiDependencies>) >>> is absurdly >>> out of date and we should just refer people to the build.xml for those >>> who >>> need an authoritative list of that info. >>> >>> 2.) Go down the left-side menu, delete all pages that are already covered >>> by the main Apache JSPWiki page (Mailing List, documentation link, JIRA >>> URL, Getting Involved, etc.) Anything there that should be on the main >>> Apache JSPWiki site >>> (http://incubator.apache.org/**jspwiki/<http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/>), >>> either >>> directly add it or just make a note and we can put it there later. >>> >>> 3.) Move all the *factual* HOWTO material from http://www.jspwiki.org to >>> http://doc.jspwiki.org/2.4/ (or a new http://doc.jspwiki.org/2.9/) -- >>> include no matter-of-opinion, random discussion, thoughts, etc. Factual >>> material "2 + 3 = 5" that can't be stated any other way generally will >>> not >>> have the copyright concerns. If there's any material we don't know who >>> wrote and remain concerned about moving it to http://doc.jspwiki.org, I >>> think it's better to just delete it and start anew, then to go forward >>> with >>> the shackles of "orphan works" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/** >>> Orphan_works <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_works>) >>> hampering the new Apache-hosted wiki. >>> >>> 4.) By this stage, http://www.jspwiki.org/ should have nothing on it and >>> can be shut down. Instead we then discuss how to move >>> http://doc.jspwiki.org/2.4/ to the new Apache Wiki, with all of it 100% >>> Apache-owned. >>> >>> I can help on #1 and #2 if desired, then we can look at what's left for >>> #3 >>> before proceeding with it. >>> >>> >>> Move jspwiki.org content to ASF-owned VM >>>> ------------------------------**---------- >>>> >>>> Key: JSPWIKI-739 >>>> URL: https://issues.apache.org/** >>>> jira/browse/JSPWIKI-739<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-739> >>>> Project: JSPWiki >>>> Issue Type: Task >>>> Affects Versions: Graduating >>>> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen >>>> Assignee: Florian Holeczek >>>> Fix For: Graduating >>>> >>>> >>>> jspwiki.org content needs to be moved over to ASF-hosted place. >>>> >>> Apparently VMs are available. >>> >>>> We can either move jspwiki.org to Apache, or I can keep the domain and >>>> >>> point everything to jspwiki.apache.org. >>> >>> -- >>> This message is automatically generated by JIRA. >>> If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA >>> administrators >>> For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/** >>> software/jira <http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira> >>> >>> >
