I can add a 301 permanent redirect, that should take care of search engines.
Let me know when you're ready and I'll make the complete tarballs available. I think it might make sense to start with doc.jspwiki.org first. Note that the main jspwiki.org site is currently read-only 'cos recent Finnish court decisions imply that I'm responsible for all content on it, and I don't have the time to monitor it, so I'm not risking it, but if anyone else wants to grab the site to host in the meantime, let me know. /Janne On Dec 2, 2012, at 19:34 , Harry Metske wrote: > well exactly your last point, my guess is that currently many google > searches end up on jspwiki.org. > If we delete content there, we should at least leave pointers to the new > wiki, making sure people can still find us.. > And you're right, there is no hurry. > > regards, > Harry > > > > On 2 December 2012 18:01, Glen Mazza <glen.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Apparently docs.wiki is already all Commons-Licensed (looking at the >> license at the bottom of the page), so that can probably move over 100% >> immediately, with the corresponding docs.jspwiki site closed down, as well >> as the sandbox wiki. So that's 2 out of 3 right there. >> >> For the rest, I don't see a rush. I think the main goal should be that >> everything on the new Wiki be Apache-licensed. If we can create it now and >> it takes a few months for jspwiki.org to be shrunk, that should be also >> OK. (2) below can probably be done soon--you're just deleting from the >> left-side menu the stuff that is already on the main Apache site--and (1) >> and (3) more gradually over time. >> >> I would recommend though against jspwiki.org being an endless archive, as >> it will keep showing up in Google. Rather to keep scavenging from it >> (either delete unused material, or *move* the material elsewhere but never >> just *copy* it and retain it in two places) and let it get smaller and >> smaller over time. >> >> Regards, >> Glen >> >> >> On 12/02/2012 11:38 AM, Harry Metske wrote: >> >>> In general I agree with Glen that we should thoroughly clean out "the old >>> stuff". >>> But I don't like the idea of completely deleting it very soon. >>> I prefer starting with a clean 2.9.0 wiki at the new Apache VM and copying >>> over relevant stuff from the old wiki if the license permits so. >>> (immediately eating our own dogfood) >>> Once the basic structure of the new wiki is complete, we put a clear hint >>> on the old wiki that is has become a sort of archive and refer/redirect to >>> the new wiki. >>> Then, we could have a look at the statistics (access.log ? pagecounts?) of >>> the old wiki, and decide if it is still useful. >>> >>> (We could also host a new SandBox wiki in the new VM, right?) >>> >>> regards, >>> Harry >>> >>> >>> On 2 December 2012 16:57, Glen Mazza (JIRA) <j...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> [ >>>> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/JSPWIKI-739?page=** >>>> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.**system.issuetabpanels:comment-** >>>> tabpanel&focusedCommentId=**13508296#comment-13508296<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-739?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13508296#comment-13508296> >>>> ] >>>> >>>> Glen Mazza commented on JSPWIKI-739: >>>> ------------------------------**------ >>>> >>>> I don't like Roy's answer here (from the email you cited above): >>>> >>>> "In other words, you can just say >>>> >>>> Unless otherwise noted, contributions to this wiki are licensed >>>> to the Apache Software Foundation as contributions under the >>>> Apache License, version 2.0." >>>> >>>> We're just kicking the can down the road by having licensing *other* than >>>> Apache License, Version 2.0 on the new wiki. Companies use the WikiText >>>> in >>>> their documentation and they need the comfort that it's 100% >>>> Apache-licensed and can be freely used just like Apache source code. >>>> Going >>>> forward, it needs to be understood that whatever a person writes on the >>>> Apache Wiki is immediately Apache-licensed, and if they don't like that, >>>> then don't post any Wiki content (i.e., no "unless otherwise noted" >>>> section >>>> that Roy is suggesting). I.e., we need to have a proverbial fire where >>>> all >>>> old records are lost so we can start anew with 100% Apache licensed >>>> Content. >>>> >>>> What I see here is a three-step process: >>>> 1.) Shrink jspwiki.org by deleting as many outdated or marginally useful >>>> pages as possible. For example, the UserList can completely go (it's out >>>> of date and we can create a brand-new user list later), and most of the >>>> Ongoing Discussion links predate 2010 and hence also can be removed. >>>> This, >>>> for example >>>> (http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/**JSPWikiDependencies<http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiDependencies>) >>>> is absurdly >>>> out of date and we should just refer people to the build.xml for those >>>> who >>>> need an authoritative list of that info. >>>> >>>> 2.) Go down the left-side menu, delete all pages that are already covered >>>> by the main Apache JSPWiki page (Mailing List, documentation link, JIRA >>>> URL, Getting Involved, etc.) Anything there that should be on the main >>>> Apache JSPWiki site >>>> (http://incubator.apache.org/**jspwiki/<http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/>), >>>> either >>>> directly add it or just make a note and we can put it there later. >>>> >>>> 3.) Move all the *factual* HOWTO material from http://www.jspwiki.org to >>>> http://doc.jspwiki.org/2.4/ (or a new http://doc.jspwiki.org/2.9/) -- >>>> include no matter-of-opinion, random discussion, thoughts, etc. Factual >>>> material "2 + 3 = 5" that can't be stated any other way generally will >>>> not >>>> have the copyright concerns. If there's any material we don't know who >>>> wrote and remain concerned about moving it to http://doc.jspwiki.org, I >>>> think it's better to just delete it and start anew, then to go forward >>>> with >>>> the shackles of "orphan works" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/** >>>> Orphan_works <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_works>) >>>> hampering the new Apache-hosted wiki. >>>> >>>> 4.) By this stage, http://www.jspwiki.org/ should have nothing on it and >>>> can be shut down. Instead we then discuss how to move >>>> http://doc.jspwiki.org/2.4/ to the new Apache Wiki, with all of it 100% >>>> Apache-owned. >>>> >>>> I can help on #1 and #2 if desired, then we can look at what's left for >>>> #3 >>>> before proceeding with it. >>>> >>>> >>>> Move jspwiki.org content to ASF-owned VM >>>>> ------------------------------**---------- >>>>> >>>>> Key: JSPWIKI-739 >>>>> URL: https://issues.apache.org/** >>>>> jira/browse/JSPWIKI-739<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-739> >>>>> Project: JSPWiki >>>>> Issue Type: Task >>>>> Affects Versions: Graduating >>>>> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen >>>>> Assignee: Florian Holeczek >>>>> Fix For: Graduating >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> jspwiki.org content needs to be moved over to ASF-hosted place. >>>>> >>>> Apparently VMs are available. >>>> >>>>> We can either move jspwiki.org to Apache, or I can keep the domain and >>>>> >>>> point everything to jspwiki.apache.org. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This message is automatically generated by JIRA. >>>> If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA >>>> administrators >>>> For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/** >>>> software/jira <http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira> >>>> >>>> >>
