Yeh, that was definitely chum for chums.
Seriously though, my issues with Spring are more political/business
than technical. Spring can do a lot for you - from a web-app or
enterprisey-app angle. But, it comes with a lot of "fluff" too, which
raises the learning curve - fair warning.
I'm sure there's a relative parallel between a DI framework and IDEs -
but, tools are different than building blocks.
The latest OSGi spin Spring is spinning is a little gross. Why do I
need to "buy" their 8x8 block when I can go down the street to Apache
and get a Felix 2x2 block? But, anyway...
Luddite? If this were true I'd have said something like:
If you intentionally choose Java for any web application you
work...you need a re-education. Spring only facilitates web-app
development by convoluting what truly should be simple with XML
configuration.
But, I didn't say that. Liz, do the diligence and don't buy into any
hype without thorough and complete investigation (which doesn't
include marketing sessions put on by self-centered organizations like
Spring Source).
Kit
On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Thomas Hicks wrote:
Oooh....Kit puts on his flame-suite and throws a hand grenade into
the room....
Don't listen to that Luddite, Liz. Personally, I think Spring is
terrific
and there are very few types of web applications I would build
without it.
As for unnecessary....sure, most tools are unnecessary but I
bet Kit uses at least one IDE when he could write everything
with VI and compile from the command line.
As many people have commented on this list, all tools are
good at some things and not so good for other things. A
really good programmer knows when and how to use the
right tool for the job.
regards,
-tom
At 09:10 AM 10/21/2008, Kit wrote:
http://www.springframework.org
Parented by:
http://www.springsource.com
It is a dependency injection framework that promotes configuration
over convention and is bloated, commercially-inspired (by companies
like mine), and overall unnecessary. But, was the hot thing a couple
years ago and is now embedded any many abstract frameworks ala
Grails,
etc.
On Oct 21, 2008, at 8:45 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Okay. I give. I googled Spring, went to the conference site,
wiki'd SpringOne, and don't know.
What is Spring?
Respectfully,
Liz, Data Base Administrator,
Methods Engineering
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