Thanks for all of your opinions. It'll be good to see you on the 11th. What time and where?
Respectfully, Liz, Data Base Administrator, Methods Engineering Kit Plummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/21/2008 04:08 PM Please respond to [email protected] To [email protected] cc Subject Re: [jug-discussion] Early Bird Discount ends October 31st...SpringAmericas 2008 returns December 1-4th to Hollywood, FL (JUG Discount Available...) Yeh, that was definitely chum for chums. Seriously though, my issues with Spring are more political/business than technical. Spring can do a lot for you - from a web-app or enterprisey-app angle. But, it comes with a lot of "fluff" too, which raises the learning curve - fair warning. I'm sure there's a relative parallel between a DI framework and IDEs - but, tools are different than building blocks. The latest OSGi spin Spring is spinning is a little gross. Why do I need to "buy" their 8x8 block when I can go down the street to Apache and get a Felix 2x2 block? But, anyway... Luddite? If this were true I'd have said something like: If you intentionally choose Java for any web application you work...you need a re-education. Spring only facilitates web-app development by convoluting what truly should be simple with XML configuration. But, I didn't say that. Liz, do the diligence and don't buy into any hype without thorough and complete investigation (which doesn't include marketing sessions put on by self-centered organizations like Spring Source). Kit On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Thomas Hicks wrote: > Oooh....Kit puts on his flame-suite and throws a hand grenade into > the room.... > > Don't listen to that Luddite, Liz. Personally, I think Spring is > terrific > and there are very few types of web applications I would build > without it. > > As for unnecessary....sure, most tools are unnecessary but I > bet Kit uses at least one IDE when he could write everything > with VI and compile from the command line. > > As many people have commented on this list, all tools are > good at some things and not so good for other things. A > really good programmer knows when and how to use the > right tool for the job. > regards, > -tom > > > At 09:10 AM 10/21/2008, Kit wrote: >> http://www.springframework.org >> >> Parented by: >> >> http://www.springsource.com >> >> It is a dependency injection framework that promotes configuration >> over convention and is bloated, commercially-inspired (by companies >> like mine), and overall unnecessary. But, was the hot thing a couple >> years ago and is now embedded any many abstract frameworks ala >> Grails, >> etc. >> >> On Oct 21, 2008, at 8:45 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> Okay. I give. I googled Spring, went to the conference site, >>> wiki'd SpringOne, and don't know. >>> >>> What is Spring? >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Liz, Data Base Administrator, >>> Methods Engineering > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email (and all attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged and/or proprietary information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
