IMHO
In my experience if you come from C or C++, and Java then groovy is a more 
natural transition.
If you have Perl experience then Ruby is a more natural transition.
-T


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Does getting an ASU MBA with existing UofA BSCE make me a SunCat? or a 
WildDevil?
Go Cats! ...said with a Devilish grin ;)



----- Original Message ----
From: Kit Plummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 2:29:11 PM
Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Any News on the Holiday Party?

Google?  Todd's suggestion of Groovy is not a bad idea either...though you'll 
still be tied to the JVM (not necessarily a bad thing).

If you are just starting to learn to program I'll stand by Ruby, and Groovy to 
a lesser extend because the language is secondary to getting the many other 
skills required to make yourself useful to an employer.

Kit

On Dec 8, 2008, at 3:05 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> ha ha!  So what is Ruby?
> 
> Respectfully,
> Liz, Data Base Administrator,
> Methods Engineering
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kit Plummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 12/08/2008 02:47 PM
> Please respond to
> [email protected]
> 
> To
> [email protected]
> cc
> Subject
> Re: [jug-discussion] Any News on the Holiday Party?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Then Ruby is your best choice.
> 
> (Said with huge grin, and shield raised)
> 
> Kit
> 
> On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:27 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > No, it won't.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > Liz, Data Base Administrator,
> > Methods Engineering
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kit Plummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 12/08/2008 02:17 PM
> > Please respond to
> > [email protected]
> >
> > To
> > [email protected]
> > cc
> > Subject
> > Re: [jug-discussion] Any News on the Holiday Party?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does this application have a web-based interface?  Or, will it?
> >
> > On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:08 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > so you have an opinion on the language and Java is the preferred?
> > >
> > > Respectfully,
> > > Liz, Data Base Administrator,
> > > Methods Engineering
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > TR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 12/08/2008 01:31 PM
> > > Please respond to
> > > [email protected]
> > >
> > > To
> > > [email protected]
> > > cc
> > > Subject
> > > Re: [jug-discussion] Any News on the Holiday Party?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:07 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > actually, I've begun a project and am trying to decide if I should
> > > use C++ or Java and I don't have a lot of knowledge/experience in
> > > either.
> > > It's something to model visual transduction.
> > >
> > > Would it be inappropriate to discuss this at the party?  ;-)
> > >
> > > It would be appropriate to discuss.  But C++ is an inappropriate
> > > language to consider for ANY development.
> > >
> > >
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