" I realize that these are two different things, and I do intend to do both."
Excellent! Please sign up at the appropriate page, which I profit the occasion to remind you of, http://openjump.org/wiki/show/Professional+Support, as a developer available for hire, like others did. I'm sure that interested parties will profit greatly from your accumulated expertise. <Paul Ramsey> Your opinion came while writing this. I must be missing something here or I'm just too simple-minded but GPL, clause 2, paragraph b) states: " b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License." Thus no one can actually sell OJ in "little silvery envelopes". ;-) As previously said services and extended functionality is a completely different thing... </Paul Ramsey> Pedro Doria Meunier (351) 91 302 49 72 - (351) 96 247 99 12 MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ - 308-182-126 Skype: pdoriam -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunburned Surveyor Sent: quinta-feira, 2 de Novembro de 2006 21:57 To: List for discussion of JPP development and use. Subject: Re: [JPP-Devel] [jump-users] RE: Commercial Support For OpenJUMP That was definitely not the response I was looking for. I was actually hoping for some positive feedback. Let me clarify some things for Pedro, then I'll respond to David's comment. Pedro wrote: "One thing is having the developers being paid for their work on some extended functionality to some company. Another is service around the product." I realize that these are two different things, and I do intend to do both. Pedro wrote: "Did you, per chance, become the owner of OJ????" I'd like to know which comments in my blog lead to you to believe I was claiming ownership of OpenJUMP, which I am not. What "I" am going to do is offer some technical support of OpenJUMP for a reasonable fee. I believe my offering these services and the overall control of the program are two totally different things. Many companies do the same for "independent" open source projects. For example, I can hire a company or consultant to support my Debian operating system or PostgreSQL database. That doesn't mean that the company I hire has any control over the development of the program, or that they "own" the program. What it does mean is that they now have a vested financial interest in the program and will be more likely to contribute bug fixes and develop new features. Nothing I propose would stop another OpenJUMP developer, or company like Vivid Solutions or Refractions research for that matter, from also offering support for OpenJUMP. In fact, if the demand for OpenJUMP support is great, which I doubt will be the case initially, I would likely want to hire other OpenJUMP developers because they know the code base the best. Pedro wrote: "OJ IS ****OPEN-SOURCE****! read again in case you missed it: OJ IS ****OPEN-SOURCE****!" You don't need to shout Pedro. I am very well aware that OpenJUMP is released under an open source license. Please be polite, as I am always polite with you. I deserve that much. David wrote: "This struck me in a similar manner ... so I did a little reading of the GPL, and I'm not sure SS's comments (as read this am on the blog site mentioned) do not violate Clause #2 of the GPL." Could you point out the specific statements in clause 2 of the GPL that you feel I would be in violation of? I read it over carefully, and I can't see the conflict. I'd like to address those supposed violations if they exist. As I mentioned in my blog posting, I'm offering "services" for OpenJUMP, not the source code itself. As I also stated in the blog, all of my changes and improvements to the source code would be pushed down to the OpenJUMP CVS on a regular basis, and would be available on the SurveyOS SVN in the meantime. David wrote: "Thanks for expressing what many of us are probably thinking." I must admit that this reaction caught me by surprise. If the OpenJUMP community decides this is a bad idea, and presents me with some good reasons why this shouldn't happen, I'm willing to listen and to reconsider. It's not like I had my heart set on this. I actually thought it would be a good idea. I would hope that everyone on this mailing list would know me as a reasonable person. This isn't worth forking the code or some other drastic action. If it means that much to the other developers, then I won't do it. its just not worth fighting over to me. Forget the GPL, I don't want to be in a position where other developers feel I've violated th spirit of the community I'm helping to build. In conclusion I want to say that I'm disappointed in this reaction. I realize that I make mistakes as one of OpenJUMP's project administrators, and that I haven't always cared for the project like I should have. I do think, however, that I have given generously of my time to this project, and that I was one of the individuals that helped to get it off the ground. I go out of my way to offer assistance on the mailing lists, and to keep the peace between the different developers. I hope that I have earned more trust and respect from the members of this mailing list and the OpenJUMP community than is evident in the previous posts. I'm not out to cheat anybody, or to take from others something that doesn't belong to me. If for some reason this idea doesn't pan out then I'll walk away from it. No matter what happens I'll still be here working as a volunteer, chiefly for the benefit of others, as I have always been. It's likely that I'll be doing that after many reading this conversation today are no longer subscribed to this mailing list. The Sunburned Surveyor On 11/2/06, David Zwiers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pedro, > > This struck me in a similar manner ... so I did a little reading of the > GPL, and I'm not sure SS's comments (as read this am on the blog site > mentioned) do not violate Clause #2 of the GPL. > > Thanks for expressing what many of us are probably thinking. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pedro > Doria Meunier > Sent: November 2, 2006 12:19 PM > To: 'List for discussion of JPP development and use.'; 'JUMP Users > Discussion' > Subject: [jump-users] RE: [JPP-Devel] Commercial Support For OpenJUMP > > Commercial OJ ???? > > One thing is having the developers being paid for their work on some > extended functionality to some company. > Another is service around the product. > > But a *totally* different thing is, quoting the blog: > > "What type of "commercial support" will ****I**** offer?" > > I?!?!?! > Did you, per chance, become the owner of OJ???? > > "When will ****I**** be offering commercial support for OpenJUMP?" > Ditto. > > What kind of mockery is this??? > > If I remember it correctly explicit information on the site about > developers > being available for development (and being paid for it) is present at > http://openjump.org/wiki/show/Professional+Support > > Developers interested in offering their paid services have but to sign > their > name there... > > OJ IS ****OPEN-SOURCE****! read again in case you missed it: > OJ IS ****OPEN-SOURCE****! > > > Pedro Doria Meunier > (351) 91 302 49 72 - (351) 96 247 99 12 > MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ - 308-182-126 > Skype: pdoriam > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Sunburned Surveyor > Sent: quinta-feira, 2 de Novembro de 2006 0:45 > To: List for discussion of JPP development and use. > Subject: [JPP-Devel] Commercial Support For OpenJUMP > > I hope to offer some simple commercial support for OpenJUMP beginning > in the first part of 2007. You can read about the reasons behind my > decisions and some of the other details on my blog: > > http://openjump.blogspot.com/ > > The Sunburned Surveyor > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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