Hei Pedro, > I must be missing something here or I'm just too simple-minded but > GPL, clause 2, paragraph b) states: > " b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole > or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to > be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of > this License."
actually this is the clou on the GPL.. It says you must provide it for free. But it does not mean the opposite: which is, that you are not allowed to sell the software. So it is realy like Paul said: he can sell it in silver boxes for 4000$£ -- but if somebody asks he needs to provide him an accessible version (on a web server). So you can see it from two positions: either the customer is "stupid" if paying 4000$ for the CD envelope and the CD; or he gets additional support for the 4000 something. good night stefan > Thus no one can actually sell OJ in "little silvery envelopes". ;-) > > As previously said services and extended functionality is a completely > different thing... > </Paul Ramsey> > > > Pedro Doria Meunier > (351) 91 302 49 72 - (351) 96 247 99 12 > MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ - 308-182-126 > Skype: pdoriam > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Sunburned Surveyor > Sent: quinta-feira, 2 de Novembro de 2006 21:57 > To: List for discussion of JPP development and use. > Subject: Re: [JPP-Devel] [jump-users] RE: Commercial Support For OpenJUMP > > That was definitely not the response I was looking for. I was actually > hoping for some positive feedback. > > Let me clarify some things for Pedro, then I'll respond to David's comment. > > Pedro wrote: "One thing is having the developers being paid for their > work on some > extended functionality to some company. Another is service around the > product." > > I realize that these are two different things, and I do intend to do both. > > Pedro wrote: "Did you, per chance, become the owner of OJ????" > > I'd like to know which comments in my blog lead to you to believe I > was claiming ownership of OpenJUMP, which I am not. What "I" am going > to do is offer some technical support of OpenJUMP for a reasonable > fee. I believe my offering these services and the overall control of > the program are two totally different things. Many companies do the > same for "independent" open source projects. For example, I can hire a > company or consultant to support my Debian operating system or > PostgreSQL database. That doesn't mean that the company I hire has any > control over the development of the program, or that they "own" the > program. What it does mean is that they now have a vested financial > interest in the program and will be more likely to contribute bug > fixes and develop new features. > > Nothing I propose would stop another OpenJUMP developer, or company > like Vivid Solutions or Refractions research for that matter, from > also offering support for OpenJUMP. In fact, if the demand for > OpenJUMP support is great, which I doubt will be the case initially, I > would likely want to hire other OpenJUMP developers because they know > the code base the best. > > > Pedro wrote: "OJ IS ****OPEN-SOURCE****! read again in case you missed it: > OJ IS ****OPEN-SOURCE****!" > > You don't need to shout Pedro. I am very well aware that OpenJUMP is > released under an open source license. Please be polite, as I am > always polite with you. I deserve that much. > > David wrote: "This struck me in a similar manner ... so I did a little > reading of the > GPL, and I'm not sure SS's comments (as read this am on the blog site > mentioned) do not violate Clause #2 of the GPL." > > Could you point out the specific statements in clause 2 of the GPL > that you feel I would be in violation of? I read it over carefully, > and I can't see the conflict. I'd like to address those supposed > violations if they exist. As I mentioned in my blog posting, I'm > offering "services" for OpenJUMP, not the source code itself. As I > also stated in the blog, all of my changes and improvements to the > source code would be pushed down to the OpenJUMP CVS on a regular > basis, and would be available on the SurveyOS SVN in the meantime. > > David wrote: "Thanks for expressing what many of us are probably thinking." > > I must admit that this reaction caught me by surprise. If the OpenJUMP > community decides this is a bad idea, and presents me with some good > reasons why this shouldn't happen, I'm willing to listen and to > reconsider. It's not like I had my heart set on this. I actually > thought it would be a good idea. > > I would hope that everyone on this mailing list would know me as a > reasonable person. This isn't worth forking the code or some other > drastic action. If it means that much to the other developers, then I > won't do it. its just not worth fighting over to me. Forget the GPL, I > don't want to be in a position where other developers feel I've > violated th spirit of the community I'm helping to build. > > In conclusion I want to say that I'm disappointed in this reaction. I > realize that I make mistakes as one of OpenJUMP's project > administrators, and that I haven't always cared for the project like I > should have. > > I do think, however, that I have given generously of my time to this > project, and that I was one of the individuals that helped to get it > off the ground. I go out of my way to offer assistance on the mailing > lists, and to keep the peace between the different developers. > > I hope that I have earned more trust and respect from the members of > this mailing list and the OpenJUMP community than is evident in the > previous posts. I'm not out to cheat anybody, or to take from others > something that doesn't belong to me. > > If for some reason this idea doesn't pan out then I'll walk away from > it. No matter what happens I'll still be here working as a volunteer, > chiefly for the benefit of others, as I have always been. It's likely > that I'll be doing that after many reading this conversation today are > no longer subscribed to this mailing list. > > The Sunburned Surveyor > > On 11/2/06, David Zwiers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Pedro, >> >> This struck me in a similar manner ... so I did a little reading of the >> GPL, and I'm not sure SS's comments (as read this am on the blog site >> mentioned) do not violate Clause #2 of the GPL. >> >> Thanks for expressing what many of us are probably thinking. >> >> David >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pedro >> Doria Meunier >> Sent: November 2, 2006 12:19 PM >> To: 'List for discussion of JPP development and use.'; 'JUMP Users >> Discussion' >> Subject: [jump-users] RE: [JPP-Devel] Commercial Support For OpenJUMP >> >> Commercial OJ ???? >> >> One thing is having the developers being paid for their work on some >> extended functionality to some company. >> Another is service around the product. >> >> But a *totally* different thing is, quoting the blog: >> >> "What type of "commercial support" will ****I**** offer?" >> >> I?!?!?! >> Did you, per chance, become the owner of OJ???? >> >> "When will ****I**** be offering commercial support for OpenJUMP?" >> Ditto. >> >> What kind of mockery is this??? >> >> If I remember it correctly explicit information on the site about >> developers >> being available for development (and being paid for it) is present at >> http://openjump.org/wiki/show/Professional+Support >> >> Developers interested in offering their paid services have but to sign >> their >> name there... >> >> OJ IS ****OPEN-SOURCE****! read again in case you missed it: >> OJ IS ****OPEN-SOURCE****! >> >> >> Pedro Doria Meunier >> (351) 91 302 49 72 - (351) 96 247 99 12 >> MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ICQ - 308-182-126 >> Skype: pdoriam >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> Sunburned Surveyor >> Sent: quinta-feira, 2 de Novembro de 2006 0:45 >> To: List for discussion of JPP development and use. >> Subject: [JPP-Devel] Commercial Support For OpenJUMP >> >> I hope to offer some simple commercial support for OpenJUMP beginning >> in the first part of 2007. You can read about the reasons behind my >> decisions and some of the other details on my blog: >> >> http://openjump.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Sunburned Surveyor >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> - >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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