Hi Peppe, just my personal opinion... Often the best translation of English technical terms is no translation at all!!! The word "Feature" has a precise meaning in the GIS context that anyone, even in Italy, is aware of, so I'd let as is, untranslated. The word "Elemento" doesn't sound the right one to me...
Reagarding the difference between the terms "Feature" and "Item", they _may_ be correclty used alternatively. An instance of a spatial object _is_ a "Feature", but if you see it through a list or a collection, it _behaves_like an "Item" of that list or collection. Could it be this way that the two terms are currently used in OJ??? Bye Paolo Rizzi > Hi all, > thanks for your answers. > Indeed the terms "feature" and "item" are used into the OJ menu with the same > meaning. > I like the terminology of Martin, really only in few cases (maybe 10), on the > English language files, "item" would be better substituded with the term > "componet" (according by Martin). > Anyhow, as popinted Jukka, while translating OJ into another language, the > presence of 2 terms "feature" and "item", used with the same meaning (see > post from Larry) creates sometimes a confusion. > ____________________________________________ > > Since the scope of my question was comnnnected to the Italian and Spanish > language files (which I completed), I had to give a restiling to the > Italian and Spanish language files. Since there was a bit confusion, in some > cases. I attached the files to this mail. > > -------------------------------------- > > @Michael and other Latin users. > > This is my proposal for the translations > > English - Italian - Spanish - French > Feature - Elemento - Elemento - Object > Item* - Componente - Componente - Component (instead of element) > > * when item means "componente": an indivisible part of a geometry, like inner > ring > > This new translation avoid terminology which was improperly used (like the > italian "oggetto" (object) for component) or a multiplication of > terminologies (I found in Spanish that "entidad", "elemento" and sometimes > "item" where used with the same meaning of "feature"). > > I ask Michael if he agree with this modification. > ________________________________________________ > > @Stefan > > These language files are almost complete. The Spanish file now has both menus > and warning messages translated. I hope I didn't miss something. > > Regards > > Peppe > > --- Ven 6/3/09, Martin Davis <mbda...@refractions.net> ha scritto: > >> Da: Martin Davis <mbda...@refractions.net> >> Oggetto: Re: [JPP-Devel] feature vs item >> A: "OpenJump develop and use" <jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Data: Venerdì 6 marzo 2009, 22:57 >> If the question is about the things that Selection Manager >> works with, >> I don't like the term "Item" - it's too >> vague. For talking about parts >> of geometries I prefer the terms "element" or >> "component". In JTS I use >> the following terms: >> >> "Element" is the name for a geometry which is >> part of a MultiGeometry >> (e.g. a Polygon in a MultiPolygon) >> "Component" is the name for a geometric object >> which is an indivisible >> part of another Geometry (eg a ring of a polygon - this is >> really the >> only example of this) >> >> There are technical reasons to make this distinction. >> Either term could >> be used in the context of SelectionManager, I think. >> >> Rahkonen Jukka wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I understood feature vs. item in the same way than >> others here when translating OJ into Finnish for the first >> time. Mostly by trying the tools and looking what they did >> when selecting eithere features or items. Problem is that I >> couldn't find good translation to "item". What >> in the way suits best in Finnish translates back to English >> as a "thing". That does not sound professional. >> I have now used word suggested by the Finnish Geodetic >> Institute, but I feel it is bit too scientific now, >> "primitive". Perhaps I let them both be >> "features" in the next translation for OJ 1.3. >>> -Jukka- >>> >>> -----Alkuperäinen viesti----- >>> Lähettäjä: Michaël Michaud >> [mailto:michael.mich...@free.fr] >>> Lähetetty: pe 6.3.2009 21:38 >>> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use >>> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] feature vs item >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I think Sunburned Surveyor is correct. >>> >>> "Item" refers to the way SelectionManager >> works (see the second and >>> third button of the edition toolbox). >>> Selection manager can select the whole geometry of a >> feature, or only a >>> part of this geometry, or only a ring in a polygon in >> a multipolygon... >>> Any of thoses things are called item. Martin or Jon >> will correct me if I >>> misunderstood. >>> >>> @peppe : in french, I usually translate Feature as >> Object, Geometry as >>> Geometrie, and Item as...hum not sure, most often >> "Element", but I may >>> have changed depending on the context (Composant and >> Polyligne in the >>> context of the editing toolbar) >>> >>> Michaël >>> >>> >>> Sunburned Surveyor a écrit : >>> >>>> Acutally, I beleive there is a difference between >> the two (2) terms, >>>> and a specific reason for using one and not the >> other in OpenJUMP. >>>> Martin Davis or Jon Aquino could confirm what I am >> about to say. >>>> An "item" can refer to a feature that is >> part of a composite Feature >>>> or FeatureCollection. (A FeatureCollection can >> also be a Feature.) For >>>> example, a LineString that is part of a >> MultiLineString would be an >>>> "item". >>>> >>>> Check out page 14 of the old developer guide for >> this explanation: >>>> "FeatureSelection (in which the user has >> selected whole features), >>>> PartSelection (in >>>> which the user has selected parts of a >> GeometryCollection feature), and >>>> LineStringSelection (in which the user has >> selected LineStrings inside >>>> a Polygon or >>>> GeometryCollection). So a user can select not only >> whole features but >>>> also pieces of them." >>>> >>>> This distinction is made frequently in the source >> code for the >>>> selection manager. I acutally find that the use of >> items makes the >>>> code much more complex, but I remember Martin or >> Jon explaining there >>>> was a good reason for implementing the selection >> mechanism this way. >>>> Landon >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Larry Becker >> <becker.la...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Peppe, >>>>> >>>>> I guess you are referring to things like >> "Copy items" and "Paste Items." >>>>> Items, in this case is simply a more vague >> term for features. It was >>>>> probably chosen because it occurs in other >> applications, and is therefor a >>>>> familiar user interface. The less specific >> terms would be useful if it >>>>> becomes possible to perform the functions on >> things other than features. >>>>> regards, >>>>> Larry >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Giuseppe >> Aruta <giuseppe_ar...@yahoo.it> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> hi all, >>>>>> I am conscious this is an old discussion: >>>>>> What is the difference between item and >> feature? Which one of them is >>>>>> synonimous of object? >>>>>> >>>>>> I also ask to non-english speakers to >> write down the terminology in their >>>>>> languages (basically Latine language like >> Spanish, French, Portuguese). >>>>>> Giving a look into the files languages I >> discover some differences, >>>>>> sometimes opposte usage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regads >>>>>> >>>>>> Peppe >>>>>> >>>>>> >> __________________________________________________ >>>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>>>> Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! 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