Hi Larry, > 1. There is a technical distinction between features and > items in the code. > 2. In the UI one of the selection arrows on the Editing > toolbox is called > "Select Parts". > 3. If you select a "part" of a "combined > feature", you can copy it with > "Copy Items". When you "Paste Items", > you only get the "part" you selected. > > Therefor I suggest that we change "items" in the > UI to "parts" to be > consistent. I would assume that "parts" would > translate well.
I think that users who use "select parts" tool to select "a part" than they want to copy/paste that part, not the whole. I prefer not to change the name (in the English) even because "Copy parts" or "Past Parts" would be more confusing (always from a user point of view). Peppe > regards, > Larry > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Paolo Rizzi > <g...@oicom.com> wrote: > > > Hi Peppe, > > just my personal opinion... > > Often the best translation of English technical terms > is no translation > > at all!!! > > The word "Feature" has a precise meaning in > the GIS context that anyone, > > even in Italy, is aware of, so I'd let as is, > untranslated. > > The word "Elemento" doesn't sound the > right one to me... > > > > Reagarding the difference between the terms > "Feature" and "Item", they > > _may_ be correclty used alternatively. > > > > An instance of a spatial object _is_ a > "Feature", but if you see it > > through a list or a collection, it _behaves_like an > "Item" of that list > > or collection. > > Could it be this way that the two terms are currently > used in OJ??? > > > > > > Bye > > Paolo Rizzi > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > thanks for your answers. > > > Indeed the terms "feature" and > "item" are used into the OJ menu with the > > same meaning. > > > I like the terminology of Martin, really only in > few cases (maybe 10), on > > the English language files, "item" would be > better substituded with the term > > "componet" (according by Martin). > > > Anyhow, as popinted Jukka, while translating OJ > into another language, > > the presence of 2 terms "feature" and > "item", used with the same meaning > > (see post from Larry) creates sometimes a confusion. > > > ____________________________________________ > > > > > > Since the scope of my question was comnnnected to > the Italian and Spanish > > language files (which I completed), I had to give a > restiling to the > > Italian and Spanish language files. Since there was a > bit confusion, in some > > cases. I attached the files to this mail. > > > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > > > @Michael and other Latin users. > > > > > > This is my proposal for the translations > > > > > > English - Italian - Spanish - > French > > > Feature - Elemento - Elemento - > Object > > > Item* - Componente - Componente - > Component (instead of > > element) > > > > > > * when item means "componente": an > indivisible part of a geometry, like > > inner ring > > > > > > This new translation avoid terminology which was > improperly used (like > > the italian "oggetto" (object) for > component) or a multiplication of > > terminologies (I found in Spanish that > "entidad", "elemento" and sometimes > > "item" where used with the same meaning of > "feature"). > > > > > > I ask Michael if he agree with this modification. > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > > @Stefan > > > > > > These language files are almost complete. The > Spanish file now has both > > menus and warning messages translated. I hope I > didn't miss something. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Peppe > > > > > > --- Ven 6/3/09, Martin Davis > <mbda...@refractions.net> ha scritto: > > > > > >> Da: Martin Davis > <mbda...@refractions.net> > > >> Oggetto: Re: [JPP-Devel] feature vs item > > >> A: "OpenJump develop and use" > <jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > > >> Data: Venerdì 6 marzo 2009, 22:57 > > >> If the question is about the things that > Selection Manager > > >> works with, > > >> I don't like the term "Item" - > it's too > > >> vague. For talking about parts > > >> of geometries I prefer the terms > "element" or > > >> "component". In JTS I use > > >> the following terms: > > >> > > >> "Element" is the name for a > geometry which is > > >> part of a MultiGeometry > > >> (e.g. a Polygon in a MultiPolygon) > > >> "Component" is the name for a > geometric object > > >> which is an indivisible > > >> part of another Geometry (eg a ring of a > polygon - this is > > >> really the > > >> only example of this) > > >> > > >> There are technical reasons to make this > distinction. > > >> Either term could > > >> be used in the context of SelectionManager, I > think. > > >> > > >> Rahkonen Jukka wrote: > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> I understood feature vs. item in the same > way than > > >> others here when translating OJ into Finnish > for the first > > >> time. Mostly by trying the tools and looking > what they did > > >> when selecting eithere features or items. > Problem is that I > > >> couldn't find good translation to > "item". What > > >> in the way suits best in Finnish translates > back to English > > >> as a "thing". That does not sound > professional. > > >> I have now used word suggested by the Finnish > Geodetic > > >> Institute, but I feel it is bit too > scientific now, > > >> "primitive". Perhaps I let them > both be > > >> "features" in the next translation > for OJ 1.3. > > >>> -Jukka- > > >>> > > >>> -----Alkuperäinen viesti----- > > >>> Lähettäjä: Michaël Michaud > > >> [mailto:michael.mich...@free.fr] > > >>> Lähetetty: pe 6.3.2009 21:38 > > >>> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use > > >>> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] feature vs item > > >>> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> I think Sunburned Surveyor is correct. > > >>> > > >>> "Item" refers to the way > SelectionManager > > >> works (see the second and > > >>> third button of the edition toolbox). > > >>> Selection manager can select the whole > geometry of a > > >> feature, or only a > > >>> part of this geometry, or only a ring in > a polygon in > > >> a multipolygon... > > >>> Any of thoses things are called item. > Martin or Jon > > >> will correct me if I > > >>> misunderstood. > > >>> > > >>> @peppe : in french, I usually translate > Feature as > > >> Object, Geometry as > > >>> Geometrie, and Item as...hum not sure, > most often > > >> "Element", but I may > > >>> have changed depending on the context > (Composant and > > >> Polyligne in the > > >>> context of the editing toolbar) > > >>> > > >>> Michaël > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Sunburned Surveyor a écrit : > > >>> > > >>>> Acutally, I beleive there is a > difference between > > >> the two (2) terms, > > >>>> and a specific reason for using one > and not the > > >> other in OpenJUMP. > > >>>> Martin Davis or Jon Aquino could > confirm what I am > > >> about to say. > > >>>> An "item" can refer to a > feature that is > > >> part of a composite Feature > > >>>> or FeatureCollection. (A > FeatureCollection can > > >> also be a Feature.) For > > >>>> example, a LineString that is part of > a > > >> MultiLineString would be an > > >>>> "item". > > >>>> > > >>>> Check out page 14 of the old > developer guide for > > >> this explanation: > > >>>> "FeatureSelection (in which the > user has > > >> selected whole features), > > >>>> PartSelection (in > > >>>> which the user has selected parts of > a > > >> GeometryCollection feature), and > > >>>> LineStringSelection (in which the > user has > > >> selected LineStrings inside > > >>>> a Polygon or > > >>>> GeometryCollection). So a user can > select not only > > >> whole features but > > >>>> also pieces of them." > > >>>> > > >>>> This distinction is made frequently > in the source > > >> code for the > > >>>> selection manager. I acutally find > that the use of > > >> items makes the > > >>>> code much more complex, but I > remember Martin or > > >> Jon explaining there > > >>>> was a good reason for implementing > the selection > > >> mechanism this way. > > >>>> Landon > > >>>> > > >>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:48 AM, > Larry Becker > > >> <becker.la...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Hi Peppe, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I guess you are referring to > things like > > >> "Copy items" and "Paste > Items." > > >>>>> Items, in this case is simply a > more vague > > >> term for features. It was > > >>>>> probably chosen because it occurs > in other > > >> applications, and is therefor a > > >>>>> familiar user interface. The > less specific > > >> terms would be useful if it > > >>>>> becomes possible to perform the > functions on > > >> things other than features. > > >>>>> regards, > > >>>>> Larry > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM, > Giuseppe > > >> Aruta <giuseppe_ar...@yahoo.it> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> hi all, > > >>>>>> I am conscious this is an old > discussion: > > >>>>>> What is the difference > between item and > > >> feature? Which one of them is > > >>>>>> synonimous of object? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I also ask to non-english > speakers to > > >> write down the terminology in their > > >>>>>> languages (basically Latine > language like > > >> Spanish, French, Portuguese). > > >>>>>> Giving a look into the files > languages I > > >> discover some differences, > > >>>>>> sometimes opposte usage. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Regads > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Peppe > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >> > __________________________________________________ > > >>>>>> Do You Yahoo!? > > >>>>>> Poco spazio e tanto spam? > Yahoo! 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