Yes, I agree that the original source of this is Linus's belief that debuggers make for bad fixes. And, the folks at RH can still think for themselves. They choose to follow the path they are on.
Other distributions manage to include kdb, RH could as well, but they choose not to.. It's not fair to blame Linus for what RH does either... -Charlie -----Original Message----- From: Vladimir G. Ivanovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:24 PM To: Dunn, Charles Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Kernel build problem To be fair, it's not really a Red Hat issue, but rather Linus's belief that debuggers lead to patching symptoms rather than fixing the underlying problem. --- Vladimir -- Vladimir G. Ivanovic http://leonora.org/~vladimir Palo Alto, CA 94306 +1 650 678 8014 >>>>> "cd" == Charles Dunn <Dunn> writes: >> It is a pity that >> RedHat do not want kdb, it means that RH users have a lot of trouble >> trying to debug their systems. OTOH SuSE are happy to include kdb in >> their distributions. cd> cd> I agree 1000%! I went around and around with RH sales about this. No cd> complaints about the sales person, she really tried to get to the bottom cd> of why this is the way it is, and she even found the answer.. In talking cd> with her it was clear that in 99% of her conversations with RH engineers cd> the attitude was one of: "Debuggers produce bad fixes. Always. Debuggers cd> are evil.".. cd> cd> This is like blaming forks for a person being overweight. Any tool can cd> be used badly. No debugger is a substitute for understanding the code cd> and producing a good solution. But a debugger can illuminate specific cd> problem causes and shorten the debug cycle like few other tools can... cd> This whole debugger thing with RH has been frustrating beyond words. We cd> may even switch from RH to SuSe because of this, but mostly because RH cd> seems to enjoy making life hard for embedded products makers who want to cd> use RH. We are building VoIP test equipment and want to use RH as the OS cd> inside.. They are making us jump through hoops that Microsoft hasn't cd> even thought of yet. It's getting close to the point where it would be cd> cheaper per box sold to have Windows inside than Linux.. Am I crazy or cd> is that just a tad upside down from where Linux is supposed to be cd> going??? cd> cd> -Charlie Dunn cd> Empirix Inc. cd> cd> cd> cd> --------------------------- cd> Use http://oss.sgi.com/ecartis to modify your settings or to unsubscribe. --------------------------- Use http://oss.sgi.com/ecartis to modify your settings or to unsubscribe.
