On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 12:18:43 +0200 Harald Sitter <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:46 AM Christophe Giboudeaux > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > On mercredi 17 juillet 2019 23:09:13 CEST Daniel Mensinger wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am forwarding my original question about the meson trademark / > > > license to kde-devel because I was told that more people with > > > licensing experience will see this here. > > > > > > > > > Meson's logo is (C) Jussi Pakkanen and used by the Meson project with > > > > specific permission. It is not licensed under the same terms as the rest > > > > of the project. > > > > > > > > If you are a third party and want to use the Meson logo, you must first > > > > must obtain written permission from Jussi Pakkanen. > > > Jussi Pakkanen has no problem with giving a special permission for > > > KDevelop (similar to the VS Code meson plugin), but I first would > > > like to know if including an icon with such a "license" is OK for > > > KDevelop. > > > > > > > This doesn't give any information on the logo license and what it allows/ > > restricts/forbids. Answering your question is impossible without the license > > text. > > Well, that's not really true, in absence of anything it's "all rights > reserved" and that are **unfree** licensing terms unsuitable for us. > Plus, the website explicitly tells us it's all rights reserved. > > So, the answer certainly is: it is not OK to use because it is unfree. > > There are two huge caveat to this though: > a) "fair-use" exceptions may apply and make the use OK, but I don't > think that's the case and in any event the fair-use provisions AFAIU > are not the same across the world > b) a trademark may limit freeness despite copyright being free. as is > the case for all free software projects (KDE included). so, > all-rights-reserved probably is fine as well **but** only with a whole > bunch of provisions (i.e. an informal license ;)) > > It may actually be best to consult distributions on the matter, since > they ultimately will need to be allowed to distribute binaries. > I know debian has a whole bunch of policies on the matter. > > From the github ticket I get the impression what Jussi actually wants > is trademark protection though and currently he's simply using > copyright protection in lieu of trademark protection? e.g. KDE's logo > is trademark protected, but the actual artwork is licensed LGPL. so > you may copy and edit the svg to your hearts content, but you cannot > use it to misrepresent endorsement from KDE for example. > > (grain of salt on all of the above of course) > > HS Thanks for the detailed explanation. So, if I understand this correctly, the icon would have to be licensed under something like the LGPL. Alternatively, if meson would add a fair use section (maybe similar to QT https://www.qt.io/trademark/) this would also work (even with the "all rights reserved" statement)? Daniel
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