Hi Now via->pour chain is recovering.
Heikki https://youtu.be/HuViOfQmcrU On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Heikki Pulkkinen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > I made some new features. Now it is possible chaining copper pours with > Vias. This video show, how it works at the moment. > > > Heikki > > https://youtu.be/91tT626XnbM > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Heikki Pulkkinen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Wayne, >> >> I think that there is two places when user is "wrong" wit his/her will. >> One is when there are not at least two pours to connect with and second is >> that there must be at least one pad in connection chain. If antennas are >> user will, it is better create component. I might be wrong, but that is how >> I think it. I did some experimental development in my code which now keeps >> vias netcodes Steven's ideas way, and take care of that there is connected >> pad. These two videos show how that works. I try more other things when I >> am back home again. >> >> Regards >> >> Heikki >> >> https://youtu.be/wXdVl4WXCJ8 >> https://youtu.be/5qe-XnVJwXs >> >> 27.10.2016 1.47 "Wayne Stambaugh" <[email protected]> kirjoitti: >> >>> I'm just not comfortable with the connection algorithm reassigning via >>> net codes to a zone's net code based on the zone/via intersection. This >>> puts the responsibility of the connection on the project rather than the >>> user. I'm OK if we suggest a net when the user is placing vias but the >>> user has the final say and the via net code does not change unless the >>> user explicitly changes it. I don't now how to make it any clearer than >>> that. Someone would have to make a really impressive argument (read >>> doctoral thesis) as to why we should allow kicad to determine >>> connectivity rather than the user. >>> >>> On 10/25/2016 1:54 AM, Heikki Pulkkinen wrote: >>> > Thanks Wayne to look at this and Steven for asking about connection >>> logic. >>> > >>> > It is good to try explain what did you thought last summer. It clearer >>> > things. >>> > >>> > There are main rule which connects top and bottom layer and second rule >>> > connecting inner layers. And now I think that main rule is useless, >>> > because second rule do all this connecting via to first two zones with >>> > same netcode. This works well as far as zones are up the date. And that >>> > is not always true. For example in DRC, if you forgot to refill zones >>> > before running DRC, vias can corrupted to wrong net. Thats why running >>> > first refilling zones in DRC, keeps vias right connected. >>> > I found two another, and there might be more, situation when user can >>> > accidentally damage connection. Cleanup and saving a board. Saving is >>> > not that broblem, but opening is. But I have solution of them. Just >>> > running zone filling algorithm before running ratsnest algorithm. >>> > But usually, when working with via stitching, user keeps zones up to >>> > date running refill to see what he or she have done. I know there is >>> > always better solutions, but I can manage this at the moment before >>> > there are official one. I know, if algorithm is different than mine it >>> > does not ruin my designs. >>> > >>> > Cheers >>> > >>> > Heikki >>> > >>> > >>> > 24.10.2016 23.58 "Wayne Stambaugh" <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> kirjoitti: >>> > >>> > I finally had a chance to look at this patch and I have similar >>> > concerns. I thought I was pretty clear about *not* being >>> comfortable >>> > with making assumptions about via zone connections and always >>> using the >>> > assigned net code. I'm a bit concerned with the connection >>> testing and >>> > it's decision to change a via's net code depending on which >>> zone(s) that >>> > it intersects. I see this as an unacceptable risk for kicad to >>> assume. >>> > I would rather put the responsibility in hands of the user and >>> just have >>> > kicad complain when there is a drc issue. >>> > >>> > Please configure your editor to clean up trailing white space and >>> fix >>> > the other coding policy errors. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > Wayne >>> > >>> > On 10/23/2016 10:44 PM, Strontium wrote: >>> > > Hello Heikki, >>> > > >>> > > Can you explain the logic you are using to determine the net of >>> > the vias >>> > > during DRC reconnect? It looks like you are only considering >>> the top >>> > > and bottom layer, but stitching vias may be stitching internal >>> layers? >>> > > >>> > > Steven >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On 23/10/16 21:48, Heikki Pulkkinen wrote: >>> > >> Hi Wayne and all, >>> > >> >>> > >> About that my suggestion of Via Stitching. I do some tests and >>> found >>> > >> that if DRC first fill zones and then do tests it does not break >>> > >> anything. if you forgot to Fill or Refill zoenes before running >>> DRC. >>> > >> >>> > >> Regards >>> > >> >>> > >> Heikki >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Heikki Pulkkinen >>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> Hi Wayne, >>> > >> >>> > >> If you try this, I send the last full patch of that Via >>> > Stitching. >>> > >> Do not care other patches in mailing list, they are more or >>> less >>> > >> incomplete. >>> > >> >>> > >> Regards >>> > >> >>> > >> Heikki >>> > >> >>> > >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Wayne Stambaugh >>> > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> I will look at when I get a chance. When that will be I >>> > >> cannot say for >>> > >> sure. I've just been really busy. I will try to get >>> around >>> > >> to it this >>> > >> weekend. >>> > >> >>> > >> Cheers, >>> > >> >>> > >> Wayne >>> > >> >>> > >> On 10/17/2016 3:40 PM, Jakub Kozdon wrote: >>> > >> > Hi, it looks usable. >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Don't know if it is visible for all, but Wayne, what >>> do you >>> > >> think about it? >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Jakub >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Dne 16.10.2016 v 19:23 Heikki Pulkkinen napsal(a): >>> > >> >> Hi, >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> I add array feature to my Via Stitching. And an >>> another >>> > >> slowly video >>> > >> >> to watch. >>> > >> >> https://youtu.be/28nfoZPg2bg >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Full fixed patch and array test patch. More work have >>> > to be >>> > >> done, but >>> > >> >> this was easy start. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Regards >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Heikki >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Heikki Pulkkinen >>> > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > >> >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto: >>> [email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Hi, >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Here is demovideo about via stitching. It is >>> slowly, >>> > >> because of >>> > >> >> slowly machine. I do some development too, so >>> full >>> > patch is >>> > >> >> attached too. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Marcos Chaparro >>> > >> >> <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>>> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Hi Heikki, >>> > >> >> is there any chance to make some screenshots >>> or >>> > >> video about >>> > >> >> this? Some of us do compile kicad to get the >>> > latest and >>> > >> >> greatest but never applied a patch for a >>> > particular >>> > >> feature. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Regards >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Marcos >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Heikki >>> Pulkkinen >>> > >> >> <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Hi, >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Putting back that my via stitching tool >>> to >>> > >> routing tool. >>> > >> >> It is better that way, I think. All via >>> tools >>> > >> are in same >>> > >> >> place, and it adds vias to pours only >>> from >>> > hotkeys. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Heikki >>> > Pulkkinen >>> > >> >> <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Hi, >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Finally Via Stitching without tracks >>> is at >>> > >> zone tool. >>> > >> >> I tested it little bit, but more >>> tests are >>> > >> needed. >>> > >> >> This patch replace all other >>> patches. Do >>> > >> not use them, >>> > >> >> use only this patch. I think this is >>> worth >>> > >> of try. I >>> > >> >> am going to use it anyway, even if >>> it do >>> > >> not get any >>> > >> >> acceptance. First patch is for Fedora >>> > >> users. It makes >>> > >> >> possible to build Kicad in Fedora >>> release >>> > >> wxWidgets >>> > >> >> libs whitout building wxWidget from >>> > source. >>> > >> I do not >>> > >> >> know has anybody else that problem, >>> > but I had. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Heikki >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:46 PM, >>> Heikki >>> > >> Pulkkinen >>> > >> >> <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Hi >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> And I really practice. I made >>> > >> improvement and >>> > >> >> forgot to copy all. So >>> improvement is >>> > >> in these two >>> > >> >> patches. I hope this suggestion >>> is >>> > >> accepted as a >>> > >> >> new feature. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Heikki >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 2:31 PM, >>> > Heikki >>> > >> Pulkkinen >>> > >> >> <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >>> >>>> >>> > >> >> wrote: >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Hi, >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> As in practice, I made a >>> patch >>> > >> file of my >>> > >> >> changes Not only diifs. It is >>> > >> SHIFT-ALT-V >>> > >> >> hotkey whitch make buried and >>> > blind >>> > >> vias, as >>> > >> >> it is in routing too. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Heikki >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 2:25 >>> > PM, Heikki >>> > >> >> Pulkkinen < >>> [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > >> >> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Hi, >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> I made some improvements >>> to my >>> > >> patch of >>> > >> >> via stitching. Now you >>> can >>> > just >>> > >> point >>> > >> >> copper pour place and >>> press V, >>> > >> it make >>> > >> >> trough via. If you press >>> > >> SHIFT+CTRL+V it >>> > >> >> make buried or blind >>> via.It >>> > >> does not >>> > >> >> change working layer. >>> Only >>> > when >>> > >> you place >>> > >> >> buried or blind via from >>> > >> different layer >>> > >> >> than it's layer pair is. >>> I >>> > >> think that it >>> > >> >> is quite easy to shoot >>> board >>> > >> full of >>> > >> >> copper pours connecting >>> > vias. It is >>> > >> >> possible to remove >>> connecting >>> > >> tracks from >>> > >> >> old designs. Just delete >>> > >> connection from >>> > >> >> pad and use clenup. Only >>> have >>> > >> to remember >>> > >> >> that if there are not at >>> least >>> > >> two copper >>> > >> >> pours in same netcode in >>> > >> different layers >>> > >> >> via is deleted too. Any >>> > support? >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Heikki >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at >>> 3:06 >>> > >> PM, Heikki >>> > >> >> Pulkkinen >>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > >> >> <mailto: >>> [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Hi everybody, >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> This is my >>> suggestion to >>> > >> via stitching >>> > >> >> without any tracks. >>> It >>> > connects >>> > >> >> unconnected vias in >>> > >> different copper >>> > >> >> pours witch has same >>> > >> netcode. Adding >>> > >> >> vias is normal >>> routing >>> > >> process without >>> > >> >> routing tracks. >>> Start - >>> > >> Change Layer - >>> > >> >> End. Tool that do >>> > those things >>> > >> >> automatically would >>> be >>> > >> good, so you >>> > >> >> can add all vias in >>> same >>> > >> layer. After >>> > >> >> adding vias, run >>> "Fill or >>> > >> Refill All >>> > >> >> Zones" that "Clenup >>> tracks >>> > >> and vias" >>> > >> >> do not remove partly >>> > >> connected vias. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> Heikki >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > >> >> Mailing list: >>> > >> https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers>> >>> > >> >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekic >>> ad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers> >>> > >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers>>> >>> > >> >> Post to : >>> > >> [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > >> >> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>> > >> >> Unsubscribe : >>> > >> https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers>> >>> > >> >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekic >>> ad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers> >>> > >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers>>> >>> > >> >> More help : >>> > >> https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> > >> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> >>> > >> >> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> > >> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-d >>> evelopers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers>> >>> > >> >> Post to : [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > >> >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-d >>> evelopers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers>> >>> > >> >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> > >> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > >> Post to : [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > > Post to : [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> > > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > Post to : [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> > >>> >>> >
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