That hasn't worked for me yet! On 2/21/2017 7:02 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: > This is why I work on KiCad, I figure if I spend enough time on this > I'll never make it to old age >:) > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 06:45:10PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> It's hell getting old! :) >> >> On 2/21/2017 6:43 PM, Simon Wells wrote: >>> haha your advanced life experience must be getting to you.... you even >>> commented on it when it was last bought up on the list >>> https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg23387.html >>> >>> On 22 February 2017 at 12:39, Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Why don't I remember that? It must not have been that way for very >>>> long. In any event, I'm actually fine with changing it to a single left >>>> click. We could always undo it if user's absolutely hate it. >>>> >>>> On 2/21/2017 1:43 PM, Simon Wells wrote: >>>>> there was a time where it was single click changes colour and there >>>>> were no complaints that i saw. JP changed it without consultation or >>>>> comment on the list >>>>> >>>>> On 22 February 2017 at 07:30, Chris Pavlina <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 01:26:17PM -0500, Jon Evans wrote: >>>>>>> Yeah, this is going to be a problem any time there is a situation where >>>>>>> KiCad does it differently than "the standard", but has been doing it >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> way forever. No easy fix that pleases both the old users and the new >>>>>>> users. Other open source software has had this problem too (GIMP, etc) >>>>>> >>>>>> A part of me really wants to fork KiCad, spend a year or so removing ALL >>>>>> these silly KiCadisms that "users will howl about", and release it as a >>>>>> new de-crustified project with the understanding that everything will be >>>>>> different because everything was stupid before. I bet *checks sofa* >>>>>> $3.24 that users would flock to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sadly, that part of me lives in a fantasy world where days have 48 hours >>>>>> and I get paid megabucks to sit on my butt. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My own thoughts on the matter are that I want to never have to change >>>>>>> layer >>>>>>> using the layer picker, and always have it hidden. Based on the >>>>>>> behavior >>>>>>> of other tools I have used, I think that it is possible to greatly >>>>>>> reduce >>>>>>> the need to manually change layers, and especially to do so with the >>>>>>> mouse >>>>>>> rather than a hotkey. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Jon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can just hear users howling already when they left click the color >>>>>>>> swatch thinking that they are selecting the layer and then have to >>>>>>>> dismiss the color select dialog to continue working. If we cannot come >>>>>>>> up with a better solution, it may be best to leave sleeping dogs lie. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> wonder how many of the 75% of voters in the poll would response to >>>>>>>> having to dismiss the color selection dialog every time they >>>>>>>> inadvertently left clicked the color button? This may be a case of >>>>>>>> ignorance being bliss. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/21/2017 12:54 PM, Jon Evans wrote: >>>>>>>>> FWIW, this is what my expecations were as a new user when I started >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> KiCad (for what would happen with a single left-click) based on how >>>>>>>>> things work in other applications with layer managers I have used >>>>>>>>> (ECAD, >>>>>>>>> graphics, etc): >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/Euh2Gjwl.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Jon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Chris Pavlina >>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By the way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer- >>>>>>>> manager/5421 <https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer- >>>>>>>> manager/5421> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Feel free to add your own responses. The results look pretty >>>>>>>> conclusive >>>>>>>>> right now ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:40:05AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Sent to wrong recipient. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 05:24:14PM +0100, jp charras wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > > Le 21/02/2017 à 16:07, Chris Pavlina a écrit : >>>>>>>>> > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:35:34AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > > >> My only issue with this change is that the tooltip >>>>>>>>> letting >>>>>>>>> the user know >>>>>>>>> > > > >> that a left button double click or a middle button click >>>>>>>>> would allow >>>>>>>>> > > > >> them to change the color is gone. Other than that, it >>>>>>>>> looks great. I >>>>>>>>> > > > >> like the use of Bind instead of Connect. Bind has a much >>>>>>>>> cleaner >>>>>>>>> > > > >> interface than Connect and according to the wx folks is >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> proper way >>>>>>>>> > > > >> to handle events. >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > The tooltip is useless, nobody is going to hover over them >>>>>>>>> for long >>>>>>>>> > > > > enough to see it. I was just talking to someone this >>>>>>>>> morning >>>>>>>>> who never >>>>>>>>> > > > > found the tooltip because he was too busy clicking on the >>>>>>>>> buttons to >>>>>>>>> > > > > make them work. >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > Every other color well in every other application opens >>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>> selection >>>>>>>>> > > > > dialog with a single left click. Why can't ours? >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > First you have to decide if the main purpose is to select >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> active layer or to change the color layer. >>>>>>>>> > > > The answer will give also the answer to "Why can't ours". >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > For me the answer is not obvious, but my opinion is: >>>>>>>>> > > > the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the >>>>>>>>> working layer. >>>>>>>>> > > > Therefore the single left click should change the layer, >>>>>>>>> whatever you are clicking. >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > If the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the >>>>>>>>> color, then a single left click should >>>>>>>>> > > > open the color dialog. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > This isn't "the layer manager", it's a color well IN the layer >>>>>>>>> manager. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > If the single left click opens the dialog, be sure many >>>>>>>>> times, >>>>>>>>> when clicking inside the layer >>>>>>>>> > > > manager, you will open the dialog, instead of changing the >>>>>>>>> active layer, especially if you are too >>>>>>>>> > > > busy clicking on the window to verify the exact position of >>>>>>>>> the mouse. >>>>>>>>> > > > (It frequently happened to me when the single click was >>>>>>>>> opening the dialog) >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > A wise decision is never obvious. >>>>>>>>> > > > (A reason like "other applications do that" is not >>>>>>>>> necessary a >>>>>>>>> good reason. >>>>>>>>> > > > Each application has its constraints and its compromises) >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > YES IT IS. Consistency is the single most important way to >>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> > > interface understandable. A box containing a color is a color >>>>>>>>> well, and >>>>>>>>> > > color wells behave the exact same way in everything that isn't >>>>>>>>> kicad. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Next you'll tell me "File->Open opening a file in other >>>>>>>>> applications is >>>>>>>>> > > not a good reason it shouldn't display a photo of a llama in >>>>>>>> KiCad". >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> On 2/21/2017 8:04 AM, John Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> These patches fix the layer/render widget swatches in >>>>>>>>> Linux under new >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> GTK+ toolkits. Fix for: >>>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411 >>>>>>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> The patches remove the "button" nature of the swatches, >>>>>>>>> since they >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> weren't actually actuated by a single click, so the >>>>>>>>> button >>>>>>>>> affordance >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> was misleading anyway. Also on OSX, the button was >>>>>>>>> invisible, so it >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> just looked like a flat swatch anyway. >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> * Linux as it was: >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> * OSX as it was: >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot% >>>>>>>> 202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png >>>>>>>>> <https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot% >>>>>>>> 202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> * Linux after this patch: see attachment >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> This is followed by a refactor to pull the swatch logic >>>>>>>>> out of the >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> layer widget into common, where it can be used by other >>>>>>>>> clients, for >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> example the eeschema display color dialog, if wanted. >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> Patch #3 is a simple replacement of old WX Connect with >>>>>>>>> Bind for >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> consistency in that file. >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> John >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> > > > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers 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