Did anybody consider putting the field name templates / alias / mapping things
into some project or workspace file which can be individually set and loaded
based on the user's workflow/preference?
I strongly prefer to have any configuration space like "custom" field names not
in the schematics unless it's actively put there.
Personal note again:
"Distr", "Distr P/N", "Mfgr", "Mfgr P/N", "Specifications" are not what I would
prefer to place in the libs/schematics/layouts.
Just for information, I have only the mandatory "attibutes" tied into the EDA
systems as they are needed/created there:
partname, pcbdecal, ref, value, posx, posy, height, rotation, layer
(top/bottom/inner{n}), smt (Technology SMT/THT), asy (assembled in assembly
variant(s) x,y), coat (conformal coated), ...
"partname" is an index into a database. refs are usually unique, except in
multi-pcb projects or multi-channel designs.
All manufacturer / distributor / procurement / warehouse / life-cycle /
assembly house annotations / whatever information is retrieved from a database
with a simple (SLQ-) query like:
SELECT partname, mfg, dist, price, stockqty, stockplace, ... FROM schematics,
database WHERE schematics.partname=database.partname ...
Divide and conquer,
Clemens
On 2018-05-29 22:06, Jeff Young wrote:
> Field Name Templates is even better as it’s harder to parse wrong.
> DefaultField Names vs. Default FieldNames suggest different things, while
> FieldName Templates and Field NameTemplates have pretty much the same
> connotation.
>
> I think we need to remove the values for 5.0, though. Plus, it will fix the
> “silent” side-effect as a bonus. Then anything we do in 6.0 can be
> considered new features.
>
>> On 29 May 2018, at 20:55, Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On 5/29/2018 3:16 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>> And one more idea: “Default Field Names” would also be a reasonable thing
>>> to call these (so it’s clear that the /name/ is a default, not the /field/).
>>
>> Would that be "Field Name Templates"?
>>
>>>
>>>> On 29 May 2018, at 19:56, Jeff Young <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Another way to fix the side-effect issue:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Go with the seed field model (we can name them "template fields”).
>>
>> This is my preference. I would stick with the "template" nomenclature.
>> I think "seed" would be tricky to translate although I could be wrong
>> about that.
>>
>>>>
>>>> 2) Don’t allow setting values for template fields. If you open the Symbol
>>>> Properties dialog the names will appear in the field list, but without
>>>> values. If you want to add a value then the field is now part of your
>>>> symbol. No “silent” adding.
>>
>> I'm OK with have field values as long as they are not added "silently"
>> to the either the schematic or the netlist output. I recommend that we
>> revert to the previous behavior for the v5 release (at least it is a
>> known in spite of it's flaws) and reset the associated bug report
>> status. Then make the following changes early in v6 development for a
>> v5 point release:
>>
>> Remove the "silent" add template fields behavior from the symbol
>> properties dialog.
>>
>> Add a button to the symbol properties dialog to add the template fields
>> to the symbol.
>>
>> Add an option in the template field option panel to add the template
>> fields to symbols as they are added to the schematic.
>>
>> Add a menu command and possibly a toolbar button to add the template
>> fields to all symbols in the schematic.
>>
>> Any adding of template fields assumes that any duplicate existing symbol
>> fields will not be overwritten.
>>
>> During v6 development, I would like to see the storage of the template
>> fields moved from the Eeschema config file to the default project file.
>> This would allow users to define project specific template fields. I
>> could see this being useful for consultants who lay out boards for
>> multiple customers with differing BOM requirements.
>>
>>>>
>>>> The internal struct name (TEMPLATE_FIELDNAME) suggests this might have
>>>> been the intention at some point.
>>>>
>>>> This walks a fine line on the string freeze. We need to change the dialog
>>>> to Template Fields, but as they were named that earlier the translation
>>>> keys might already be in the dictionaries.
>>
>> It's possible the old template strings are still around in the
>> translation files but I suspect not.
>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 May 2018, at 19:38, Jeff Young <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We really must choose a model. What we have is broken under either model.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they’re “default” fields, then they need to be there by default.
>>>>> That’s what “default” means. I understand this isn’t the model you have
>>>>> in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> The alternative is “seed” (or “template”) fields. In this model they
>>>>> must be added by the user. But that’s NOT what the code does (either
>>>>> before or after the recent change). If you edit a symbol they are
>>>>> *silently* added (as if they were default fields). If you understand the
>>>>> model to be seed fields, and all you did was change the symbol
>>>>> orientation, having the seed fields added will be VERY surprising.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is why I suggested earlier that if we want to treat them as seed
>>>>> fields then we need a button in the Symbol Properties dialog to add the
>>>>> fields. That way it’s clear to everyone what is happening.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 May 2018, at 16:30, Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I figured out what is going on here. There are two distinct issues at
>>>>>> play.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It appears that all of the python BOM generation scripts[1] are adding
>>>>>> non-mandatory fields even if the fields do not exist in the the generic
>>>>>> (XML) netlist file. These should be fixed. I have no idea how much
>>>>>> work this will be but a quick scan would suggest that it wouldn't be too
>>>>>> difficult. I suspect these were provided as examples to create your own
>>>>>> scripts. Used as is, they will add extra empty field columns to the
>>>>>> BOM. BOMs generated with xsltproc do not exhibit this issue so the as
>>>>>> long as the default field does not have a value associated with it, the
>>>>>> generic netlist file does not contain any unexpected field information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, if a default field contains a value then it is added to the
>>>>>> default netlist even if none of the symbols contain said field. This is
>>>>>> where I take exception. The generic netlist file should only contain
>>>>>> fields that are defined in the symbols. The assumption that the netlist
>>>>>> should contain default fields if the are not empty is broken. This will
>>>>>> lead to corrupted BOMs for existing projects which is not acceptable.
>>>>>> This change needs to be reverted. I know that it was done to fix a bug
>>>>>> report but this is not an acceptable solution for the bug. We can push
>>>>>> that bug fix off until the first v5 point release or v6 because it will
>>>>>> require a feature change to fix.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]: https://git.launchpad.net/kicad/tree/eeschema/plugins/python_scripts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/29/2018 10:12 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Reece,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was that generated with a recent build? Earlier versions of 5.0
>>>>>>> certainly had that bug, but I’m pretty sure it’s been fixed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Jeff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2018, at 13:54, Reece R. Pollack <[email protected]
>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 05/29/18 08:27, Jeff Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Comments inline:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 28 May 2018, at 17:28, Reece R. Pollack <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I believe you owe me 2c. We can discuss 2c in which currency later.
>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have five custom default fields defined:
>>>>>>>>>> - Mfgr
>>>>>>>>>> - Mfgr P/N
>>>>>>>>>> - Dist
>>>>>>>>>> - Dist P/N
>>>>>>>>>> - Specifications
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> None of these have any default values that make any sense, so I
>>>>>>>>> assume they’re all just names with empty values, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, all of these are empty by default, though I typically order from
>>>>>>>> DigiKey so I could have set that one. I added them as "Default Fields"
>>>>>>>> so that all components would have the same fields, and I wouldn't have
>>>>>>>> to depend on adding the field names by hand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The first two give the manufacturer's name and part number; the
>>>>>>>>>> second two give the distributor's name and part number; the third is
>>>>>>>>>> a catch-all for specs that are important for ordering but aren't
>>>>>>>>>> worth cluttering the schematic with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My biggest issue with the current Default Fields is that I didn't
>>>>>>>>>> start my current project with them, so using the field edit
>>>>>>>>>> spreadsheet-like thingie often results in lots of noise in my
>>>>>>>>>> commits as the empty default fields get added to components.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it’s adding empty default fields then it’s a bug. It should only
>>>>>>>>> add them if they have non-empty values.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then you have a bug. Here's a small excerpt from a Git diff where a
>>>>>>>> lot of components had empty fields added. None of these components
>>>>>>>> were added in this revision; I was simply setting part numbers for
>>>>>>>> /other/ components using the field editor spreadsheet thingie:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> diff --git a/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH
>>>>>>>> Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch b/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH
>>>>>>>> Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch
>>>>>>>> index 37482ee..e2aea43 100644
>>>>>>>> --- a/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch
>>>>>>>> +++ b/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch
>>>>>>>> @@ -22,6 +22,11 @@ F 0 "U12" H 3900 2215 50 0000 C CNN
>>>>>>>> F 1 "74LVC1T45" H 3900 2124 50 0000 C CNN
>>>>>>>> F 2 "Package_TO_SOT_SMD:SOT-23-6" H 3900 1850 50 0001 C CNN
>>>>>>>> F 3 "http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lvc1t45.pdf"; H 3900 1850
>>>>>>>> 50 0001 C CNN
>>>>>>>> +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr"
>>>>>>>> +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N"
>>>>>>>> +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr"
>>>>>>>> +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N"
>>>>>>>> +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications"
>>>>>>>> 1 3900 1850
>>>>>>>> 1 0 0 -1
>>>>>>>> $EndComp
>>>>>>>> @@ -33,6 +38,11 @@ F 0 "U13" H 3900 3415 50 0000 C CNN
>>>>>>>> F 1 "74LVC1T45" H 3900 3324 50 0000 C CNN
>>>>>>>> F 2 "Package_TO_SOT_SMD:SOT-23-6" H 3900 3050 50 0001 C CNN
>>>>>>>> F 3 "http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lvc1t45.pdf"; H 3900 3050
>>>>>>>> 50 0001 C CNN
>>>>>>>> +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr"
>>>>>>>> +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N"
>>>>>>>> +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr"
>>>>>>>> +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N"
>>>>>>>> +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications"
>>>>>>>> 1 3900 3050
>>>>>>>> 1 0 0 -1
>>>>>>>> $EndComp
>>>>>>>> @@ -66,6 +86,11 @@ F 0 "J5" H 7719 1375 50 0000 C CNN
>>>>>>>> F 1 "Conn_01x06" H 7719 1466 50 0000 C CNN
>>>>>>>> F 2 "Connector_PinHeader_2.54mm:PinHeader_1x06_P2.54mm_Vertical" H
>>>>>>>> 7800 1900 50 0001 C CNN
>>>>>>>> F 3 "~" H 7800 1900 50 0001 C CNN
>>>>>>>> +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr"
>>>>>>>> +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N"
>>>>>>>> +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr"
>>>>>>>> +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N"
>>>>>>>> +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications"
>>>>>>>> 1 7800 1900
>>>>>>>> 1 0 0 -1
>>>>>>>> $EndComp
>>>>>>>> @@ -209,6 +234,7 @@ F 4 "CTS" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr"
>>>>>>>> F 5 "218-4LPST" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N"
>>>>>>>> F 6 "DigiKey" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Distr"
>>>>>>>> F 7 "CT2184LPST-ND" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N"
>>>>>>>> +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications"
>>>>>>>> 1 3900 7100
>>>>>>>> 1 0 0 -1
>>>>>>>> $EndComp
>>>>>>>> @@ -321,6 +347,11 @@ F 0 "R127" H 4509 5746 50 0000 L CNN
>>>>>>>> F 1 "100K" H 4509 5655 50 0000 L CNN
>>>>>>>> F 2 "Resistor_SMD:R_0603_1608Metric" H 4450 5700 50 0001 C CNN
>>>>>>>> F 3 "~" H 4450 5700 50 0001 C CNN
>>>>>>>> +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr"
>>>>>>>> +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N"
>>>>>>>> +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr"
>>>>>>>> +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N"
>>>>>>>> +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications"
>>>>>>>> 1 4450 5700
>>>>>>>> 1 0 0 -1
>>>>>>>> $EndComp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Jeff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was originally against adding such defined fields, as I expect it
>>>>>>>>>> will add fields to components that will potentially conflict with
>>>>>>>>>> those created by current users. However, if it doesn't do that, and
>>>>>>>>>> has the support from parts distributors, I guess I could live with
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 05/22/18 10:56, Fabrizio Tappero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to contribute with my 2c.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I completely agree with Kristoffer, there is a need for a "MPN"
>>>>>>>>>>> field hard coded exactly as "Value" field is hard coded in Kicad.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As Wayne mentions the current "Preferences - General Options -
>>>>>>>>>>> Default Fields" is not a bad option to add a "MPN" field. This is
>>>>>>>>>>> what I do and this is what all my PCB colleges at work do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Above solution will however not help the majority to do the same. I
>>>>>>>>>>> would actually bet 2c that nearly nobody uses the Default Fields
>>>>>>>>>>> feature (most of the people probably do it component by component).
>>>>>>>>>>> And this makes it a not so useful feature.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kicost is a god-made tool and for sure Dave will soon add MPN as a
>>>>>>>>>>> default field in Kicad.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> Fabrizio
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:41 PM, kristoffer ödmark
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My updated patch forgot to add the files before doing the --amend.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So it only updated the commit message. Here is the real file
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 07:52 -0500, Ben Hest wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> From a Digi-Key KiCad library standpoint, as we're still in
>>>>>>>>>>> beta, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> gladly change the fields to whatever would be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>> Uniformity
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins use would definitely be an advantage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 5:38 AM kristoffer ödmark <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! This is exactly what i was going for, non-intrusive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> oppurtunity
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for uniformity!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tested the bom2csv plugin, It did not include the empty
>>>>>>>>>>> fields.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also tested the bom_csv_sorted_by_ref, it did not include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> empty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> values, but it included some values I had not specified,
>>>>>>>>>>> such as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manufacturer and Vendor even if they were not provided in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> schematic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Kristoffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 11:05 +0100, Jeff Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I like this new patch. It provides the
>>>>>>>>>>> /opportunity/ for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uniformity, without getting in the way of those who want
>>>>>>>>>>> to go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do the BOM generators automatically output all default
>>>>>>>>>>> fields or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those with values?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22 May 2018, at 09:22, kristoffer ödmark
>>>>>>>>>>> <kristofferodmark90
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @gma
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> il.com <http://il.com/>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please disregard my previous mail, it got mangled badly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not look like that in my editor at least.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2018-05-21 at 18:22 -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eeschema already supports creating default optional
>>>>>>>>>>> fields in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration settings dialog. Used correctly, these
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same optional field names for every project without
>>>>>>>>>>> having to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by hand to each symbol and possibly typing in
>>>>>>>>>>> different field
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> names
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accident.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Different users will still type in different field
>>>>>>>>>>> names for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things though. What you describe works as long as there
>>>>>>>>>>> is only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person in the entire projects lifetime, using only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The proposed patch would intermingle the default fields
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing schematic symbol fields which would break
>>>>>>>>>>> existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BOMs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think users will appreciate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The proposed patch will only change default settings,
>>>>>>>>>>> existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a config already in place will not be affected. I
>>>>>>>>>>> realised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fields now accept empty values as well, so existing
>>>>>>>>>>> boms on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installations will not be affected either. I updated
>>>>>>>>>>> the patch,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not affect anyone that doesnt use the fields.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...] As I've stated before, I can set 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different designers down and I will get 10 different
>>>>>>>>>>> sets of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field names. This really seems like me to be a
>>>>>>>>>>> configuration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the problems I want to address, because those 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by experience also spell the same field in 10 different
>>>>>>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their fields incompatable. MPN, MFPN, #mfg, ManufPart,
>>>>>>>>>>> etc etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those 10 designers remove the fields they do not want
>>>>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only possible solution that I would accept is to
>>>>>>>>>>> move the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field definitions from the eeschema configuration
>>>>>>>>>>> file into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicad project file. This way existing projects would
>>>>>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> polluted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the proposed default fields and users could
>>>>>>>>>>> define their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default fields in a custom project file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Default fields does not pollute if they are empty, they
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hint of what data could be put into the schematic, same
>>>>>>>>>>> as with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> datasheet field, which is not often used. Funny how
>>>>>>>>>>> noone ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complains about that one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A more flexible solution would be to add a "File->New
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Custom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Template" command to KiCad to allow the user to
>>>>>>>>>>> select any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project file. This would allow for multiple custom
>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of forcing the user to use only a single default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as the "File->New Project" would include the
>>>>>>>>>>> additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then people can use "New from Custom Template"
>>>>>>>>>>> means they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template that is empty. Otherwise it would defeat the
>>>>>>>>>>> purpose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposing a slightly different default configuration,
>>>>>>>>>>> not any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how people will use the software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/20/2018 06:27 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree, I had the same issue when I was doing my
>>>>>>>>>>> board, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field for all components, and I had to manually add
>>>>>>>>>>> it for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> item,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there was no way to add this field to all
>>>>>>>>>>> components at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have it add by default from the addition of a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> component
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sheet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which reminds me, Cadence Designer has tools to
>>>>>>>>>>> manipulate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large scale, whether to add, delete, show, hide,
>>>>>>>>>>> etc, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would be nice to have in KiCAD, either that or
>>>>>>>>>>> a table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components for the sheet or schematic and columns
>>>>>>>>>>> for each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to show/hide each cell individually.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the ultimate goal is to make the Symbol
>>>>>>>>>>> Table more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that'll take to long for v5 so if Kristoffer's
>>>>>>>>>>> patch allows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to add fields to all components or similar, I'd say
>>>>>>>>>>> do it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be pissed and waste their time doing it for every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> component in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their schematic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 3:01 PM, kristoffer Ödmark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmark90@gm <mailto:kristofferodmark90@gm>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I obvviously disagree, the correct solution
>>>>>>>>>>> would be to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This does not hinder that, its not even the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is for everyone who want for example the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manufacturer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part Number will have to define a fieldname,
>>>>>>>>>>> which every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results in them abbreviating it to something
>>>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can work with Manufacturer Part Numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is something similar, Imagine all of the
>>>>>>>>>>> colours in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kicad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of the layers where white by default. Have fun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colours yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you want to define them yourself, nobody is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either, just get cracking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How easy would it be for you to look at the board
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later and understand what is what? Maybe for
>>>>>>>>>>> some that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution, but for me that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be an extreme example of bad default values.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is how the default fields are now, they are
>>>>>>>>>>> white,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see-throught, which makes life harder for anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants to contribute or create tools that
>>>>>>>>>>> interact with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicad,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I previously said, this is only a default, you
>>>>>>>>>>> are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equally able to add/remove or change the fields
>>>>>>>>>>> how you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, tools like kibom or various other web-based
>>>>>>>>>>> tools
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier integrate to it, or at least support a
>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So for the majority of users, who doesnt change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defaults,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the tool would just work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will reiterate, I do not care what they are
>>>>>>>>>>> named, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default field where I can put my manufacturer part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amongs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The specific abbreviation or name does not
>>>>>>>>>>> matter, If i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manually add/remove my own fields *JUST AS I DO
>>>>>>>>>>> NOW*,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who use it, it will be easier across projects,
>>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dont, It will not matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sane defaults matter. A lot actually.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Kristoffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-05-20 23:40, José Ignacio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dont like this, the right solution would be to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> importing a default config into kicad for things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different groups will have different policies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Kristoffer
>>>>>>>>>>> Ödmark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The patch should only affect first startup,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be saved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2018 22:18, "Seth Hillbrand"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@gma
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@gma>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> il.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> om>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kristoffer-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This feels like a management issue
>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tool
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the user doesn't want any extra
>>>>>>>>>>> fields,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patch allow that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -S
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am So., 20. Mai 2018 um 13:00 Uhr
>>>>>>>>>>> schrieb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kristoffer Ödmark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will open this can of worms
>>>>>>>>>>> again, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to. So from what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I gather we have proffessionals
>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kicad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I will open this
>>>>>>>>>>> issue again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collaboration issue, maybe not a
>>>>>>>>>>> mayor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonetheless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We really need more default
>>>>>>>>>>> fields for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schematic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> symbols. Im not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposing required fields, I am
>>>>>>>>>>> *ONLY*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposing that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there should be default fields added
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields settings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tab. I am not proposing they
>>>>>>>>>>> need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libraries, nor that people need
>>>>>>>>>>> to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist with a fresh install of
>>>>>>>>>>> kicad so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as theese do not happen:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Collaborators working on
>>>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> duplicate fields in libs/projects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> describing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing by mistake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Projects that aim to
>>>>>>>>>>> interact or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kicad can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fields will exist, and will know
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name/tag
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (bom exporters, price
>>>>>>>>>>> checkers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacroFab, etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Open source projects will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collaborate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read and order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I think it is better
>>>>>>>>>>> to have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current solution to add them is
>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what exists, and tools can
>>>>>>>>>>> support it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning, people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with inhouse tools seems to dislike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> map their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts with an inhouse number -
>>>>>>>>>>> and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part there. From what I gather,
>>>>>>>>>>> this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these persons still modify the
>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spent maybe 30-40 mins
>>>>>>>>>>> checking the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with kicad"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found that the most common
>>>>>>>>>>> addition to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schematics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Manufacturers part
>>>>>>>>>>> number, these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> named
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> widely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects, (BOM, MP, MPN, #mfg, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> syntaxes in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Value field )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I even saw a mix of
>>>>>>>>>>> these in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once, along with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people having the vendor id
>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Manufacturer ( found some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more uncommon things was, Tolerance(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10%,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20pps),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ratings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( 1/4W, 85C,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16V ), Vendor information and
>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Descriptions. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were named
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and abbreviated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very differently accross projects.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I would like to see is these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden from the schematic unless
>>>>>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tolerance ( used for setting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tolerances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capacitors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oscillators, etc )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MaxRating ( field were one can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> max
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voltage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ampere,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frequency, or whatever the component
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manufacturer ( For inhouse
>>>>>>>>>>> numbers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, or use the company/group name )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MPN ( Maybe PartNumber could be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inhouse numbers use it aswell, I
>>>>>>>>>>> dont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long as its called something )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vendor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be all up for extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additions/removals,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would prefer if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the naming is not discussed, but
>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided/agreed upon by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone in the lead team.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The very least I think should be
>>>>>>>>>>> added
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous is to much are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tolerance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manufacturer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MPN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I attach a patch for the minimal
>>>>>>>>>>> set,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .config/kicad/eeschema file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Kristoffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some github files i reviewed,
>>>>>>>>>>> not all:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/b
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/b>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lob/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ter/MCP3002-I_SN.lib
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /ma
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ster/MCP3002-I_SN.lib>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /ma
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ster/MCP3002-I_SN.lib
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /ma
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ster/MCP3002-I_SN.lib>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Blix
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Blix>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ten%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20L
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ED%20Device/Blixten.sch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LED%20Device/Blixten.sch>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LED%20Device/Blixten.sch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LED%20Device/Blixten.sch>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/master
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/master>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /pcb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design/IGBT_board-cache.lib
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> r/pc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b%2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0design/IGBT_board-cache.lib>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> r/pc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b%2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0design/IGBT_board-cache.lib
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> r/pc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b%2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0design/IGBT_board-cache.lib>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sch
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sch>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /cap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _sm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d.lib
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> h/ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p_s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md.lib>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> h/ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p_s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md.lib
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> h/ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p_sm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d.lib>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schemat
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schemat>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ic_p
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cb/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electronic_design_kicad/electronic_design_kicad.sch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schema
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schema>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tic_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pcb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /electronic_design_kicad/electronic_design_kicad.sch>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schema
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schema>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tic_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pcb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /electronic_design_kicad/electronic_design_kicad.sch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schema
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schema>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tic_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pcb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /electronic_design_kicad/electronic_design_kicad.sch>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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