Did anybody consider putting the field name templates / alias / mapping things into some project or workspace file which can be individually set and loaded based on the user's workflow/preference? I strongly prefer to have any configuration space like "custom" field names not in the schematics unless it's actively put there.
Personal note again: "Distr", "Distr P/N", "Mfgr", "Mfgr P/N", "Specifications" are not what I would prefer to place in the libs/schematics/layouts. Just for information, I have only the mandatory "attibutes" tied into the EDA systems as they are needed/created there: partname, pcbdecal, ref, value, posx, posy, height, rotation, layer (top/bottom/inner{n}), smt (Technology SMT/THT), asy (assembled in assembly variant(s) x,y), coat (conformal coated), ... "partname" is an index into a database. refs are usually unique, except in multi-pcb projects or multi-channel designs. All manufacturer / distributor / procurement / warehouse / life-cycle / assembly house annotations / whatever information is retrieved from a database with a simple (SLQ-) query like: SELECT partname, mfg, dist, price, stockqty, stockplace, ... FROM schematics, database WHERE schematics.partname=database.partname ... Divide and conquer, Clemens On 2018-05-29 22:06, Jeff Young wrote: > Field Name Templates is even better as it’s harder to parse wrong. > DefaultField Names vs. Default FieldNames suggest different things, while > FieldName Templates and Field NameTemplates have pretty much the same > connotation. > > I think we need to remove the values for 5.0, though. Plus, it will fix the > “silent” side-effect as a bonus. Then anything we do in 6.0 can be > considered new features. > >> On 29 May 2018, at 20:55, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 5/29/2018 3:16 PM, Jeff Young wrote: >>> And one more idea: “Default Field Names” would also be a reasonable thing >>> to call these (so it’s clear that the /name/ is a default, not the /field/). >> >> Would that be "Field Name Templates"? >> >>> >>>> On 29 May 2018, at 19:56, Jeff Young <j...@rokeby.ie> wrote: >>>> >>>> Another way to fix the side-effect issue: >>>> >>>> 1) Go with the seed field model (we can name them "template fields”). >> >> This is my preference. I would stick with the "template" nomenclature. >> I think "seed" would be tricky to translate although I could be wrong >> about that. >> >>>> >>>> 2) Don’t allow setting values for template fields. If you open the Symbol >>>> Properties dialog the names will appear in the field list, but without >>>> values. If you want to add a value then the field is now part of your >>>> symbol. No “silent” adding. >> >> I'm OK with have field values as long as they are not added "silently" >> to the either the schematic or the netlist output. I recommend that we >> revert to the previous behavior for the v5 release (at least it is a >> known in spite of it's flaws) and reset the associated bug report >> status. Then make the following changes early in v6 development for a >> v5 point release: >> >> Remove the "silent" add template fields behavior from the symbol >> properties dialog. >> >> Add a button to the symbol properties dialog to add the template fields >> to the symbol. >> >> Add an option in the template field option panel to add the template >> fields to symbols as they are added to the schematic. >> >> Add a menu command and possibly a toolbar button to add the template >> fields to all symbols in the schematic. >> >> Any adding of template fields assumes that any duplicate existing symbol >> fields will not be overwritten. >> >> During v6 development, I would like to see the storage of the template >> fields moved from the Eeschema config file to the default project file. >> This would allow users to define project specific template fields. I >> could see this being useful for consultants who lay out boards for >> multiple customers with differing BOM requirements. >> >>>> >>>> The internal struct name (TEMPLATE_FIELDNAME) suggests this might have >>>> been the intention at some point. >>>> >>>> This walks a fine line on the string freeze. We need to change the dialog >>>> to Template Fields, but as they were named that earlier the translation >>>> keys might already be in the dictionaries. >> >> It's possible the old template strings are still around in the >> translation files but I suspect not. >> >>>> >>>>> On 29 May 2018, at 19:38, Jeff Young <j...@rokeby.ie> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We really must choose a model. What we have is broken under either model. >>>>> >>>>> If they’re “default” fields, then they need to be there by default. >>>>> That’s what “default” means. I understand this isn’t the model you have >>>>> in mind. >>>>> >>>>> The alternative is “seed” (or “template”) fields. In this model they >>>>> must be added by the user. But that’s NOT what the code does (either >>>>> before or after the recent change). If you edit a symbol they are >>>>> *silently* added (as if they were default fields). If you understand the >>>>> model to be seed fields, and all you did was change the symbol >>>>> orientation, having the seed fields added will be VERY surprising. >>>>> >>>>> This is why I suggested earlier that if we want to treat them as seed >>>>> fields then we need a button in the Symbol Properties dialog to add the >>>>> fields. That way it’s clear to everyone what is happening. >>>>> >>>>>> On 29 May 2018, at 16:30, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I figured out what is going on here. There are two distinct issues at >>>>>> play. >>>>>> >>>>>> It appears that all of the python BOM generation scripts[1] are adding >>>>>> non-mandatory fields even if the fields do not exist in the the generic >>>>>> (XML) netlist file. These should be fixed. I have no idea how much >>>>>> work this will be but a quick scan would suggest that it wouldn't be too >>>>>> difficult. I suspect these were provided as examples to create your own >>>>>> scripts. Used as is, they will add extra empty field columns to the >>>>>> BOM. BOMs generated with xsltproc do not exhibit this issue so the as >>>>>> long as the default field does not have a value associated with it, the >>>>>> generic netlist file does not contain any unexpected field information. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if a default field contains a value then it is added to the >>>>>> default netlist even if none of the symbols contain said field. This is >>>>>> where I take exception. The generic netlist file should only contain >>>>>> fields that are defined in the symbols. The assumption that the netlist >>>>>> should contain default fields if the are not empty is broken. This will >>>>>> lead to corrupted BOMs for existing projects which is not acceptable. >>>>>> This change needs to be reverted. I know that it was done to fix a bug >>>>>> report but this is not an acceptable solution for the bug. We can push >>>>>> that bug fix off until the first v5 point release or v6 because it will >>>>>> require a feature change to fix. >>>>>> >>>>>> [1]: https://git.launchpad.net/kicad/tree/eeschema/plugins/python_scripts >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/29/2018 10:12 AM, Jeff Young wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Reece, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Was that generated with a recent build? Earlier versions of 5.0 >>>>>>> certainly had that bug, but I’m pretty sure it’s been fixed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Jeff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29 May 2018, at 13:54, Reece R. Pollack <re...@his.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:re...@his.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 05/29/18 08:27, Jeff Young wrote: >>>>>>>>> Comments inline: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 28 May 2018, at 17:28, Reece R. Pollack <re...@his.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:re...@his.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I believe you owe me 2c. We can discuss 2c in which currency later. >>>>>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have five custom default fields defined: >>>>>>>>>> - Mfgr >>>>>>>>>> - Mfgr P/N >>>>>>>>>> - Dist >>>>>>>>>> - Dist P/N >>>>>>>>>> - Specifications >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> None of these have any default values that make any sense, so I >>>>>>>>> assume they’re all just names with empty values, right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, all of these are empty by default, though I typically order from >>>>>>>> DigiKey so I could have set that one. I added them as "Default Fields" >>>>>>>> so that all components would have the same fields, and I wouldn't have >>>>>>>> to depend on adding the field names by hand. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The first two give the manufacturer's name and part number; the >>>>>>>>>> second two give the distributor's name and part number; the third is >>>>>>>>>> a catch-all for specs that are important for ordering but aren't >>>>>>>>>> worth cluttering the schematic with. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My biggest issue with the current Default Fields is that I didn't >>>>>>>>>> start my current project with them, so using the field edit >>>>>>>>>> spreadsheet-like thingie often results in lots of noise in my >>>>>>>>>> commits as the empty default fields get added to components. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If it’s adding empty default fields then it’s a bug. It should only >>>>>>>>> add them if they have non-empty values. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then you have a bug. Here's a small excerpt from a Git diff where a >>>>>>>> lot of components had empty fields added. None of these components >>>>>>>> were added in this revision; I was simply setting part numbers for >>>>>>>> /other/ components using the field editor spreadsheet thingie: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> diff --git a/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH >>>>>>>> Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch b/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH >>>>>>>> Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch >>>>>>>> index 37482ee..e2aea43 100644 >>>>>>>> --- a/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch >>>>>>>> +++ b/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch >>>>>>>> @@ -22,6 +22,11 @@ F 0 "U12" H 3900 2215 50 0000 C CNN >>>>>>>> F 1 "74LVC1T45" H 3900 2124 50 0000 C CNN >>>>>>>> F 2 "Package_TO_SOT_SMD:SOT-23-6" H 3900 1850 50 0001 C CNN >>>>>>>> F 3 "http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lvc1t45.pdf" H 3900 1850 >>>>>>>> 50 0001 C CNN >>>>>>>> +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr" >>>>>>>> +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N" >>>>>>>> +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr" >>>>>>>> +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N" >>>>>>>> +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications" >>>>>>>> 1 3900 1850 >>>>>>>> 1 0 0 -1 >>>>>>>> $EndComp >>>>>>>> @@ -33,6 +38,11 @@ F 0 "U13" H 3900 3415 50 0000 C CNN >>>>>>>> F 1 "74LVC1T45" H 3900 3324 50 0000 C CNN >>>>>>>> F 2 "Package_TO_SOT_SMD:SOT-23-6" H 3900 3050 50 0001 C CNN >>>>>>>> F 3 "http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lvc1t45.pdf" H 3900 3050 >>>>>>>> 50 0001 C CNN >>>>>>>> +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr" >>>>>>>> +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N" >>>>>>>> +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr" >>>>>>>> +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N" >>>>>>>> +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications" >>>>>>>> 1 3900 3050 >>>>>>>> 1 0 0 -1 >>>>>>>> $EndComp >>>>>>>> @@ -66,6 +86,11 @@ F 0 "J5" H 7719 1375 50 0000 C CNN >>>>>>>> F 1 "Conn_01x06" H 7719 1466 50 0000 C CNN >>>>>>>> F 2 "Connector_PinHeader_2.54mm:PinHeader_1x06_P2.54mm_Vertical" H >>>>>>>> 7800 1900 50 0001 C CNN >>>>>>>> F 3 "~" H 7800 1900 50 0001 C CNN >>>>>>>> +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr" >>>>>>>> +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N" >>>>>>>> +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr" >>>>>>>> +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N" >>>>>>>> +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications" >>>>>>>> 1 7800 1900 >>>>>>>> 1 0 0 -1 >>>>>>>> $EndComp >>>>>>>> @@ -209,6 +234,7 @@ F 4 "CTS" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr" >>>>>>>> F 5 "218-4LPST" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N" >>>>>>>> F 6 "DigiKey" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Distr" >>>>>>>> F 7 "CT2184LPST-ND" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N" >>>>>>>> +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications" >>>>>>>> 1 3900 7100 >>>>>>>> 1 0 0 -1 >>>>>>>> $EndComp >>>>>>>> @@ -321,6 +347,11 @@ F 0 "R127" H 4509 5746 50 0000 L CNN >>>>>>>> F 1 "100K" H 4509 5655 50 0000 L CNN >>>>>>>> F 2 "Resistor_SMD:R_0603_1608Metric" H 4450 5700 50 0001 C CNN >>>>>>>> F 3 "~" H 4450 5700 50 0001 C CNN >>>>>>>> +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr" >>>>>>>> +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N" >>>>>>>> +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr" >>>>>>>> +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N" >>>>>>>> +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications" >>>>>>>> 1 4450 5700 >>>>>>>> 1 0 0 -1 >>>>>>>> $EndComp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Jeff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was originally against adding such defined fields, as I expect it >>>>>>>>>> will add fields to components that will potentially conflict with >>>>>>>>>> those created by current users. However, if it doesn't do that, and >>>>>>>>>> has the support from parts distributors, I guess I could live with >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 05/22/18 10:56, Fabrizio Tappero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to contribute with my 2c. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I completely agree with Kristoffer, there is a need for a "MPN" >>>>>>>>>>> field hard coded exactly as "Value" field is hard coded in Kicad. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As Wayne mentions the current "Preferences - General Options - >>>>>>>>>>> Default Fields" is not a bad option to add a "MPN" field. This is >>>>>>>>>>> what I do and this is what all my PCB colleges at work do. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Above solution will however not help the majority to do the same. I >>>>>>>>>>> would actually bet 2c that nearly nobody uses the Default Fields >>>>>>>>>>> feature (most of the people probably do it component by component). >>>>>>>>>>> And this makes it a not so useful feature. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kicost is a god-made tool and for sure Dave will soon add MPN as a >>>>>>>>>>> default field in Kicad. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> Fabrizio >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:41 PM, kristoffer ödmark >>>>>>>>>>> <kristofferodmar...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My updated patch forgot to add the files before doing the --amend. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So it only updated the commit message. Here is the real file >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 07:52 -0500, Ben Hest wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> From a Digi-Key KiCad library standpoint, as we're still in >>>>>>>>>>> beta, I >>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>> gladly change the fields to whatever would be decided. >>>>>>>>>>> Uniformity >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> plugins use would definitely be an advantage. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -Ben >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 5:38 AM kristoffer ödmark < >>>>>>>>>>>> kristofferodmar...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! This is exactly what i was going for, non-intrusive >>>>>>>>>>>>> oppurtunity >>>>>>>>>>>>> for uniformity! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I tested the bom2csv plugin, It did not include the empty >>>>>>>>>>> fields. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I also tested the bom_csv_sorted_by_ref, it did not include the >>>>>>>>>>>>> empty >>>>>>>>>>>>> values, but it included some values I had not specified, >>>>>>>>>>> such as >>>>>>>>>>>>> Manufacturer and Vendor even if they were not provided in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> schematic. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Kristoffer >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 11:05 +0100, Jeff Young wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I like this new patch. It provides the >>>>>>>>>>> /opportunity/ for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> uniformity, without getting in the way of those who want >>>>>>>>>>> to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>> own way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do the BOM generators automatically output all default >>>>>>>>>>> fields or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> those with values? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22 May 2018, at 09:22, kristoffer ödmark >>>>>>>>>>> <kristofferodmark90 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @gma >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> il.com <http://il.com/>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please disregard my previous mail, it got mangled badly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not look like that in my editor at least. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2018-05-21 at 18:22 -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eeschema already supports creating default optional >>>>>>>>>>> fields in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration settings dialog. Used correctly, these >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same optional field names for every project without >>>>>>>>>>> having to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by hand to each symbol and possibly typing in >>>>>>>>>>> different field >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> names >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accident. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Different users will still type in different field >>>>>>>>>>> names for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things though. What you describe works as long as there >>>>>>>>>>> is only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person in the entire projects lifetime, using only one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The proposed patch would intermingle the default fields >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing schematic symbol fields which would break >>>>>>>>>>> existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BOMs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think users will appreciate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The proposed patch will only change default settings, >>>>>>>>>>> existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a config already in place will not be affected. I >>>>>>>>>>> realised >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fields now accept empty values as well, so existing >>>>>>>>>>> boms on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installations will not be affected either. I updated >>>>>>>>>>> the patch, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not affect anyone that doesnt use the fields. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...] As I've stated before, I can set 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different designers down and I will get 10 different >>>>>>>>>>> sets of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field names. This really seems like me to be a >>>>>>>>>>> configuration >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the problems I want to address, because those 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by experience also spell the same field in 10 different >>>>>>>>>>> ways. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Making >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their fields incompatable. MPN, MFPN, #mfg, ManufPart, >>>>>>>>>>> etc etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those 10 designers remove the fields they do not want >>>>>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only possible solution that I would accept is to >>>>>>>>>>> move the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field definitions from the eeschema configuration >>>>>>>>>>> file into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicad project file. This way existing projects would >>>>>>>>>>> not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> polluted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the proposed default fields and users could >>>>>>>>>>> define their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default fields in a custom project file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Default fields does not pollute if they are empty, they >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hint of what data could be put into the schematic, same >>>>>>>>>>> as with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> datasheet field, which is not often used. Funny how >>>>>>>>>>> noone ever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complains about that one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A more flexible solution would be to add a "File->New >>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Custom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Template" command to KiCad to allow the user to >>>>>>>>>>> select any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project file. This would allow for multiple custom >>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of forcing the user to use only a single default >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as the "File->New Project" would include the >>>>>>>>>>> additional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then people can use "New from Custom Template" >>>>>>>>>>> means they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template that is empty. Otherwise it would defeat the >>>>>>>>>>> purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposing a slightly different default configuration, >>>>>>>>>>> not any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how people will use the software. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/20/2018 06:27 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree, I had the same issue when I was doing my >>>>>>>>>>> board, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field for all components, and I had to manually add >>>>>>>>>>> it for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> item, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there was no way to add this field to all >>>>>>>>>>> components at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have it add by default from the addition of a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> component >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sheet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which reminds me, Cadence Designer has tools to >>>>>>>>>>> manipulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large scale, whether to add, delete, show, hide, >>>>>>>>>>> etc, this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would be nice to have in KiCAD, either that or >>>>>>>>>>> a table >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components for the sheet or schematic and columns >>>>>>>>>>> for each >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to show/hide each cell individually. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the ultimate goal is to make the Symbol >>>>>>>>>>> Table more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that'll take to long for v5 so if Kristoffer's >>>>>>>>>>> patch allows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to add fields to all components or similar, I'd say >>>>>>>>>>> do it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be pissed and waste their time doing it for every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> component in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their schematic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 3:01 PM, kristoffer Ödmark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kristofferodmar...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmark90@gm <mailto:kristofferodmark90@gm> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ail. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I obvviously disagree, the correct solution >>>>>>>>>>> would be to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This does not hinder that, its not even the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is for everyone who want for example the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manufacturer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part Number will have to define a fieldname, >>>>>>>>>>> which every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results in them abbreviating it to something >>>>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can work with Manufacturer Part Numbers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is something similar, Imagine all of the >>>>>>>>>>> colours in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kicad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of the layers where white by default. Have fun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defining >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colours yourself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you want to define them yourself, nobody is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either, just get cracking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How easy would it be for you to look at the board >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later and understand what is what? Maybe for >>>>>>>>>>> some that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution, but for me that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be an extreme example of bad default values. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is how the default fields are now, they are >>>>>>>>>>> white, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see-throught, which makes life harder for anyone >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants to contribute or create tools that >>>>>>>>>>> interact with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicad, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I previously said, this is only a default, you >>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equally able to add/remove or change the fields >>>>>>>>>>> how you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, tools like kibom or various other web-based >>>>>>>>>>> tools >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier integrate to it, or at least support a >>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So for the majority of users, who doesnt change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defaults, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the tool would just work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will reiterate, I do not care what they are >>>>>>>>>>> named, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default field where I can put my manufacturer part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amongs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The specific abbreviation or name does not >>>>>>>>>>> matter, If i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manually add/remove my own fields *JUST AS I DO >>>>>>>>>>> NOW*, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who use it, it will be easier across projects, >>>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dont, It will not matter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sane defaults matter. A lot actually. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Kristoffer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-05-20 23:40, José Ignacio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dont like this, the right solution would be to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> importing a default config into kicad for things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different groups will have different policies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Kristoffer >>>>>>>>>>> Ödmark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kristofferodmar...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The patch should only affect first startup, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be saved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2018 22:18, "Seth Hillbrand" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <seth.hillbr...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@gma >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@gma> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> il.c >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> om> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kristoffer- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This feels like a management issue >>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the user doesn't want any extra >>>>>>>>>>> fields, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patch allow that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -S >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am So., 20. Mai 2018 um 13:00 Uhr >>>>>>>>>>> schrieb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kristoffer Ödmark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kristofferodmar...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>>>>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will open this can of worms >>>>>>>>>>> again, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to. So from what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I gather we have proffessionals >>>>>>>>>>> as the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kicad. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I will open this >>>>>>>>>>> issue again >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collaboration issue, maybe not a >>>>>>>>>>> mayor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonetheless. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We really need more default >>>>>>>>>>> fields for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schematic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> symbols. Im not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposing required fields, I am >>>>>>>>>>> *ONLY* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there should be default fields added >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields settings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tab. I am not proposing they >>>>>>>>>>> need to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libraries, nor that people need >>>>>>>>>>> to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist with a fresh install of >>>>>>>>>>> kicad so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as theese do not happen: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Collaborators working on >>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> duplicate fields in libs/projects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> describing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing by mistake >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Projects that aim to >>>>>>>>>>> interact or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kicad can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fields will exist, and will know >>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name/tag >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (bom exporters, price >>>>>>>>>>> checkers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacroFab, etc) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Open source projects will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collaborate, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read and order >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I think it is better >>>>>>>>>>> to have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default than the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current solution to add them is >>>>>>>>>>> that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what exists, and tools can >>>>>>>>>>> support it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning, people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with inhouse tools seems to dislike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> map their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts with an inhouse number - >>>>>>>>>>> and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part there. From what I gather, >>>>>>>>>>> this is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these persons still modify the >>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settings. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spent maybe 30-40 mins >>>>>>>>>>> checking the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with kicad" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found that the most common >>>>>>>>>>> addition to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schematics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Manufacturers part >>>>>>>>>>> number, these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> named >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> widely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects, (BOM, MP, MPN, #mfg, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> syntaxes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Value field ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I even saw a mix of >>>>>>>>>>> these in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once, along with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people having the vendor id >>>>>>>>>>> only. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Manufacturer ( found some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more uncommon things was, Tolerance( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10%, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20pps), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ratings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( 1/4W, 85C, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16V ), Vendor information and >>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Descriptions. They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were named >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and abbreviated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very differently accross projects. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I would like to see is these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden from the schematic unless >>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tolerance ( used for setting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tolerances >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistors, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capacitors, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oscillators, etc ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MaxRating ( field were one can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specify >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> max >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voltage, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ampere, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frequency, or whatever the component >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manufacturer ( For inhouse >>>>>>>>>>> numbers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just remove >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, or use the company/group name ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MPN ( Maybe PartNumber could be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inhouse numbers use it aswell, I >>>>>>>>>>> dont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called, as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long as its called something ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vendor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be all up for extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additions/removals, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would prefer if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the naming is not discussed, but >>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided/agreed upon by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone in the lead team. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The very least I think should be >>>>>>>>>>> added >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous is to much are: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tolerance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manufacturer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MPN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I attach a patch for the minimal >>>>>>>>>>> set, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .config/kicad/eeschema file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Kristoffer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some github files i reviewed, >>>>>>>>>>> not all: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/b >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/b> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lob/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ter/MCP3002-I_SN.lib >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/ >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /ma >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ster/MCP3002-I_SN.lib> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/ >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /ma >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ster/MCP3002-I_SN.lib >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/ >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /ma >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ster/MCP3002-I_SN.lib>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Blix >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Blix> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ten% >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20L >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ED%20Device/Blixten.sch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xten >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LED%20Device/Blixten.sch> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xten >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LED%20Device/Blixten.sch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Bli> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xten >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LED%20Device/Blixten.sch>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/master >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/master> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /pcb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design/IGBT_board-cache.lib >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> r/pc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b%2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0design/IGBT_board-cache.lib> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> r/pc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b%2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0design/IGBT_board-cache.lib >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/maste> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> r/pc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b%2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0design/IGBT_board-cache.lib>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sch >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sch> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /cap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _sm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d.lib >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> h/ca >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p_s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md.lib> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> h/ca >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p_s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md.lib >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sc> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> h/ca >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p_sm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d.lib>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schemat >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schemat> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ic_p >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cb/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electronic_design_kicad/electronic_design_kicad.sch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schema >>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schema> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tic_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pcb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /electronic_design_kicad/electronic_design_kicad.sch> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 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