I just tested this, I cannot reproduce it. No empty fields were added for me.
- Kristoffer On Tue, 2018-05-29 at 08:54 -0400, Reece R. Pollack wrote: > On 05/29/18 08:27, Jeff Young wrote: > > Comments inline: > > > > > On 28 May 2018, at 17:28, Reece R. Pollack <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I believe you owe me 2c. We can discuss 2c in which currency > > > later. :-) > > > > > > I have five custom default fields defined: > > > - Mfgr > > > - Mfgr P/N > > > - Dist > > > - Dist P/N > > > - Specifications > > > > None of these have any default values that make any sense, so I > > assume they’re all just names with empty values, right? > > Yes, all of these are empty by default, though I typically order from > DigiKey so I could have set that one. I added them as "Default > Fields" so that all components would have the same fields, and I > wouldn't have to depend on adding the field names by hand. > > > > The first two give the manufacturer's name and part number; the > > > second two give the distributor's name and part number; the third > > > is a catch-all for specs that are important for ordering but > > > aren't worth cluttering the schematic with. > > > > > > My biggest issue with the current Default Fields is that I didn't > > > start my current project with them, so using the field edit > > > spreadsheet-like thingie often results in lots of noise in my > > > commits as the empty default fields get added to components. > > > > If it’s adding empty default fields then it’s a bug. It should > > only add them if they have non-empty values. > > Then you have a bug. Here's a small excerpt from a Git diff where a > lot of components had empty fields added. None of these components > were added in this revision; I was simply setting part numbers for > other components using the field editor spreadsheet thingie: > > diff --git a/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH > Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch b/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH > Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch > index 37482ee..e2aea43 100644 > --- a/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH > Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch > +++ b/Recreation/P170-DH/pcb/P170-DH > Replacement/ExternalInterface.sch > @@ -22,6 +22,11 @@ F 0 "U12" H 3900 2215 50 0000 C CNN > F 1 "74LVC1T45" H 3900 2124 50 0000 C CNN > F 2 "Package_TO_SOT_SMD:SOT-23-6" H 3900 1850 50 0001 C CNN > F 3 "http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lvc1t45.pdf"; H 3900 1850 > 50 0001 C CNN > +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr" > +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N" > +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr" > +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N" > +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications" > 1 3900 1850 > 1 0 0 -1 > $EndComp > @@ -33,6 +38,11 @@ F 0 "U13" H 3900 3415 50 0000 C CNN > F 1 "74LVC1T45" H 3900 3324 50 0000 C CNN > F 2 "Package_TO_SOT_SMD:SOT-23-6" H 3900 3050 50 0001 C CNN > F 3 "http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lvc1t45.pdf"; H 3900 3050 > 50 0001 C CNN > +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr" > +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N" > +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr" > +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N" > +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications" > 1 3900 3050 > 1 0 0 -1 > $EndComp > @@ -66,6 +86,11 @@ F 0 "J5" H 7719 1375 50 0000 C CNN > F 1 "Conn_01x06" H 7719 1466 50 0000 C CNN > F 2 "Connector_PinHeader_2.54mm:PinHeader_1x06_P2.54mm_Vertical" H > 7800 1900 50 0001 C CNN > F 3 "~" H 7800 1900 50 0001 C CNN > +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr" > +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N" > +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr" > +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N" > +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications" > 1 7800 1900 > 1 0 0 -1 > $EndComp > @@ -209,6 +234,7 @@ F 4 "CTS" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr" > F 5 "218-4LPST" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N" > F 6 "DigiKey" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Distr" > F 7 "CT2184LPST-ND" H 3900 7100 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N" > +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications" > 1 3900 7100 > 1 0 0 -1 > $EndComp > @@ -321,6 +347,11 @@ F 0 "R127" H 4509 5746 50 0000 L CNN > F 1 "100K" H 4509 5655 50 0000 L CNN > F 2 "Resistor_SMD:R_0603_1608Metric" H 4450 5700 50 0001 C CNN > F 3 "~" H 4450 5700 50 0001 C CNN > +F 4 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr" > +F 5 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Distr P/N" > +F 6 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr" > +F 7 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Mfgr P/N" > +F 8 "" H 0 0 50 0001 C CNN "Specifications" > 1 4450 5700 > 1 0 0 -1 > $EndComp > > > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff. > > > > > I was originally against adding such defined fields, as I expect > > > it will add fields to components that will potentially conflict > > > with those created by current users. However, if it doesn't do > > > that, and has the support from parts distributors, I guess I > > > could live with it. > > > > > > On 05/22/18 10:56, Fabrizio Tappero wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I'd like to contribute with my 2c. > > > > > > > > I completely agree with Kristoffer, there is a need for a "MPN" > > > > field hard coded exactly as "Value" field is hard coded in > > > > Kicad. > > > > > > > > As Wayne mentions the current "Preferences - General Options - > > > > Default Fields" is not a bad option to add a "MPN" field. This > > > > is what I do and this is what all my PCB colleges at work do. > > > > > > > > Above solution will however not help the majority to do the > > > > same. I would actually bet 2c that nearly nobody uses the > > > > Default Fields feature (most of the people probably do it > > > > component by component). And this makes it a not so useful > > > > feature. > > > > > > > > Kicost is a god-made tool and for sure Dave will soon add MPN > > > > as a default field in Kicad. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Fabrizio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:41 PM, kristoffer ödmark <kristoffero > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > My updated patch forgot to add the files before doing the -- > > > > > amend. > > > > > > > > > > So it only updated the commit message. Here is the real file > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 07:52 -0500, Ben Hest wrote: > > > > > > From a Digi-Key KiCad library standpoint, as we're still in > > > > > beta, I > > > > > > would > > > > > > gladly change the fields to whatever would be decided. > > > > > Uniformity > > > > > > for > > > > > > plugins use would definitely be an advantage. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 5:38 AM kristoffer ödmark < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! This is exactly what i was going for, non- > > > > > intrusive > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > for uniformity! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tested the bom2csv plugin, It did not include the empty > > > > > fields. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also tested the bom_csv_sorted_by_ref, it did not > > > > > include the > > > > > > > empty > > > > > > > values, but it included some values I had not specified, > > > > > such as > > > > > > > Manufacturer and Vendor even if they were not provided in > > > > > the > > > > > > > schematic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Kristoffer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 11:05 +0100, Jeff Young wrote: > > > > > > > > I think I like this new patch. It provides the > > > > > /opportunity/ for > > > > > > > > uniformity, without getting in the way of those who > > > > > want to go > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > own way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the BOM generators automatically output all default > > > > > fields or > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > those with values? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 May 2018, at 09:22, kristoffer ödmark > > > > > <kristofferodmark90 > > > > > > > > > @gma > > > > > > > > > il.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please disregard my previous mail, it got mangled > > > > > badly > > > > > > > > > somehow, it > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > not look like that in my editor at least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2018-05-21 at 18:22 -0400, Wayne Stambaugh > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Eeschema already supports creating default optional > > > > > fields in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > configuration settings dialog. Used correctly, > > > > > these will > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same optional field names for every project without > > > > > having to > > > > > > > > > > add > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > by hand to each symbol and possibly typing in > > > > > different field > > > > > > > > > > names > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > accident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Different users will still type in different field > > > > > names for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > things though. What you describe works as long as > > > > > there is only > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > person in the entire projects lifetime, using only > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The proposed patch would intermingle the default > > > > > fields > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > existing schematic symbol fields which would break > > > > > existing > > > > > > > > > > BOMs > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > don't think users will appreciate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The proposed patch will only change default settings, > > > > > existing > > > > > > > > > users > > > > > > > > > with a config already in place will not be affected. > > > > > I realised > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > the fields now accept empty values as well, so > > > > > existing boms on > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > installations will not be affected either. I updated > > > > > the patch, > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > will not affect anyone that doesnt use the fields. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] As I've stated before, I can set 10 > > > > > > > > > > different designers down and I will get 10 > > > > > different sets of > > > > > > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > field names. This really seems like me to be a > > > > > configuration > > > > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the problems I want to address, because those > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > designers > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > by experience also spell the same field in 10 > > > > > different ways. > > > > > > > > > Making > > > > > > > > > their fields incompatable. MPN, MFPN, #mfg, > > > > > ManufPart, etc etc. > > > > > > > > > Let > > > > > > > > > those 10 designers remove the fields they do not want > > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only possible solution that I would accept is > > > > > to move the > > > > > > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > field definitions from the eeschema configuration > > > > > file into > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > kicad project file. This way existing projects > > > > > would not be > > > > > > > > > > polluted > > > > > > > > > > with the proposed default fields and users could > > > > > define their > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > default fields in a custom project file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Default fields does not pollute if they are empty, > > > > > they just > > > > > > > > > give a > > > > > > > > > hint of what data could be put into the schematic, > > > > > same as with > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > datasheet field, which is not often used. Funny how > > > > > noone ever > > > > > > > > > complains about that one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > A more flexible solution would be to add a "File- > > > > > >New from > > > > > > > > > > Custom > > > > > > > > > > Template" command to KiCad to allow the user to > > > > > select any > > > > > > > > > > custom > > > > > > > > > > project file. This would allow for multiple custom > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > > files > > > > > > > > > > instead of forcing the user to use only a single > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > > file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as the "File->New Project" would include the > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > fields > > > > > > > > > and then people can use "New from Custom Template" > > > > > means they > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > use a > > > > > > > > > template that is empty. Otherwise it would defeat the > > > > > purpose. > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > proposing a slightly different default configuration, > > > > > not any > > > > > > > > > change in > > > > > > > > > how people will use the software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05/20/2018 06:27 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, I had the same issue when I was doing my > > > > > board, I > > > > > > > > > > > needed a > > > > > > > > > > > field for all components, and I had to manually > > > > > add it for > > > > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > item, > > > > > > > > > > > there was no way to add this field to all > > > > > components at the > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > time or > > > > > > > > > > > to have it add by default from the addition of a > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > component > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the sheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which reminds me, Cadence Designer has tools to > > > > > manipulate > > > > > > > > > > > fields > > > > > > > > > > > on a > > > > > > > > > > > large scale, whether to add, delete, show, hide, > > > > > etc, this > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > that would be nice to have in KiCAD, either that > > > > > or a table > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > components for the sheet or schematic and columns > > > > > for each > > > > > > > > > > > field, > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > ability to show/hide each cell individually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the ultimate goal is to make the Symbol > > > > > Table more > > > > > > > > > > > useful, > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > that'll take to long for v5 so if Kristoffer's > > > > > patch allows > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > to add fields to all components or similar, I'd > > > > > say do it > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > will be pissed and waste their time doing it for > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > component in > > > > > > > > > > > their schematic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 3:01 PM, kristoffer > > > > > Ödmark > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] <mailto:kristoffero > > > > > dmark90@gm > > > > > > > > > > > ail. > > > > > > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I obvviously disagree, the correct solution > > > > > would be to > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > both. > > > > > > > > > > > This does not hinder that, its not even the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is for everyone who want for > > > > > example the > > > > > > > > > > > Manufacturer > > > > > > > > > > > Part Number will have to define a fieldname, > > > > > which every > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > results in them abbreviating it to something > > > > > different. > > > > > > > > > > > Hence > > > > > > > > > > > nobody > > > > > > > > > > > can work with Manufacturer Part Numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is something similar, Imagine all of the > > > > > colours in > > > > > > > > > > > Kicad > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > all of the layers where white by default. Have > > > > > fun > > > > > > > > > > > defining > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > colours yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you want to define them yourself, nobody > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > stopping > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > > > > either, just get cracking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How easy would it be for you to look at the > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > later and understand what is what? Maybe for > > > > > some that > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > solution, but for me that > > > > > > > > > > > would be an extreme example of bad default > > > > > values. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how the default fields are now, they > > > > > are white, > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > see-throught, which makes life harder for > > > > > anyone that > > > > > > > > > > > wants to contribute or create tools that > > > > > interact with > > > > > > > > > > > kicad, > > > > > > > > > > > and as > > > > > > > > > > > I previously said, this is only a default, you > > > > > are still > > > > > > > > > > > equally able to add/remove or change the > > > > > fields how you > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > to. > > > > > > > > > > > But, tools like kibom or various other web- > > > > > based tools > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > easier integrate to it, or at least support a > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > So for the majority of users, who doesnt > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > defaults, > > > > > > > > > > > the tool would just work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will reiterate, I do not care what they are > > > > > named, I > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > default field where I can put my manufacturer > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > > number, > > > > > > > > > > > amongs > > > > > > > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > The specific abbreviation or name does not > > > > > matter, If i > > > > > > > > > > > care, I > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > manually add/remove my own fields *JUST AS I > > > > > DO NOW*, > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > the people > > > > > > > > > > > who use it, it will be easier across projects, > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > dont, It will not matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sane defaults matter. A lot actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Kristoffer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2018-05-20 23:40, José Ignacio wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont like this, the right solution would > > > > > be to > > > > > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > importing a default config into kicad for > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > different groups will have different > > > > > policies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 3:31 PM, > > > > > Kristoffer Ödmark > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The patch should only affect first > > > > > startup, > > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > fields > > > > > > > > > > > will be saved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 20, 2018 22:18, "Seth > > > > > Hillbrand" > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] <mailto:seth.hil > > > > > lbrand@gma > > > > > > > > > > > il.c > > > > > > > > > > > om> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kristoffer- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This feels like a management issue > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > tool > > > > > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > If the user doesn't want any extra > > > > > fields, > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > would your > > > > > > > > > > > patch allow that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am So., 20. Mai 2018 um 13:00 Uhr > > > > > schrieb > > > > > > > > > > > kristoffer Ödmark > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > > om > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will open this can of worms > > > > > again, I > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > that I have > > > > > > > > > > > to. So from what > > > > > > > > > > > I gather we have > > > > > proffessionals as the > > > > > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > > > aim > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Kicad. > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I will open this > > > > > issue again > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > feel we > > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > collaboration issue, maybe not > > > > > a mayor > > > > > > > > > > > one. > > > > > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We really need more default > > > > > fields for > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > schematic > > > > > > > > > > > symbols. Im not > > > > > > > > > > > proposing required fields, I > > > > > am *ONLY* > > > > > > > > > > > proposing that > > > > > > > > > > > there should be default fields > > > > > added > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > > fields settings > > > > > > > > > > > tab. I am not proposing they > > > > > need to be > > > > > > > > > > > filled > > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > libraries, nor that people > > > > > need to use > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > only that > > > > > > > > > > > they need to > > > > > > > > > > > exist with a fresh install of > > > > > kicad so > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > such as theese do not happen: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Collaborators working > > > > > on the same > > > > > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > > > will not > > > > > > > > > > > create > > > > > > > > > > > duplicate fields in > > > > > libs/projects > > > > > > > > > > > describing > > > > > > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > > thing by mistake > > > > > > > > > > > - Projects that aim to > > > > > interact or > > > > > > > > > > > add > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > Kicad can > > > > > > > > > > > assume that the > > > > > > > > > > > Fields will exist, and will > > > > > know what > > > > > > > > > > > name/tag > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > look for > > > > > > > > > > > (bom exporters, price > > > > > checkers, > > > > > > > > > > > MacroFab, etc) > > > > > > > > > > > - Open source projects > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > easier > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > collaborate, > > > > > > > > > > > read and order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I think it is > > > > > better to have > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > fields by > > > > > > > > > > > default than the > > > > > > > > > > > current solution to add them > > > > > is that the > > > > > > > > > > > majority > > > > > > > > > > > will use > > > > > > > > > > > what exists, and tools can > > > > > support it > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > beginning, people > > > > > > > > > > > with inhouse tools seems to > > > > > dislike > > > > > > > > > > > this, > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > map their > > > > > > > > > > > parts with an inhouse number - > > > > > and then > > > > > > > > > > > handle > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > information about the > > > > > > > > > > > part there. From what I > > > > > gather, this is > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > majority, and > > > > > > > > > > > these persons still modify the > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > > fields > > > > > > > > > > > settings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spent maybe 30-40 mins > > > > > checking the > > > > > > > > > > > "made > > > > > > > > > > > with kicad" > > > > > > > > > > > projects, I > > > > > > > > > > > found that the most common > > > > > addition to > > > > > > > > > > > libs > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > schematics > > > > > > > > > > > are: > > > > > > > > > > > - Manufacturers part > > > > > number, these > > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > named > > > > > > > > > > > widely > > > > > > > > > > > different in > > > > > > > > > > > projects, (BOM, MP, MPN, #mfg, > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > syntaxes in > > > > > > > > > > > the Value field ) > > > > > > > > > > > I even saw a mix of > > > > > these in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > > > once, along with > > > > > > > > > > > some people having the vendor > > > > > id only. > > > > > > > > > > > - Manufacturer ( found > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > languages > > > > > > > > > > > though ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more uncommon things was, > > > > > Tolerance( > > > > > > > > > > > 10%, > > > > > > > > > > > 20pps), > > > > > > > > > > > Ratings > > > > > > > > > > > ( 1/4W, 85C, > > > > > > > > > > > 16V ), Vendor information and > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > Descriptions. They > > > > > > > > > > > were named > > > > > > > > > > > and abbreviated > > > > > > > > > > > very differently accross > > > > > projects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I would like to see is > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > fields by > > > > > > > > > > > default, but > > > > > > > > > > > hidden from the schematic > > > > > unless changed > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > user. > > > > > > > > > > > Tolerance ( used for > > > > > setting > > > > > > > > > > > tolerances > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > resistors, > > > > > > > > > > > capacitors, > > > > > > > > > > > oscillators, etc ) > > > > > > > > > > > MaxRating ( field were > > > > > one can > > > > > > > > > > > specify > > > > > > > > > > > max > > > > > > > > > > > Voltage, > > > > > > > > > > > Ampere, > > > > > > > > > > > Frequency, or whatever the > > > > > component > > > > > > > > > > > needs ) > > > > > > > > > > > Manufacturer ( For > > > > > inhouse numbers, > > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > > just remove > > > > > > > > > > > it, or use the company/group > > > > > name ) > > > > > > > > > > > MPN ( Maybe PartNumber > > > > > could be > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > here, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > who use > > > > > > > > > > > inhouse numbers use it aswell, > > > > > I dont > > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > what its > > > > > > > > > > > called, as > > > > > > > > > > > long as its called something ) > > > > > > > > > > > Vendor > > > > > > > > > > > Notes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be all up for extra > > > > > > > > > > > additions/removals, > > > > > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > > > would prefer if > > > > > > > > > > > the naming is not discussed, > > > > > but rather > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > decided/agreed upon by > > > > > > > > > > > someone in the lead team. > > > > > > > > > > > The very least I think should > > > > > be added > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > previous is to much are: > > > > > > > > > > > Tolerance > > > > > > > > > > > Manufacturer > > > > > > > > > > > MPN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I attach a patch for the > > > > > minimal set, > > > > > > > > > > > tested > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > linux by > > > > > > > > > > > removing the > > > > > > > > > > > .config/kicad/eeschema file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Kristoffer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps > > > > > > > > > > > Some github files i reviewed, > > > > > not all: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-g > > > > > ardening/b > > > > > > > > > > > lob/ > > > > > > > > > > > mas > > > > > > > > > > > ter/MCP3002-I_SN.lib > > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi- > > > > > gardening/ > > > > > > > > > > > blob > > > > > > > > > > > /ma > > > > > > > > > > > ster/MCP3002-I_SN.lib> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi- > > > > > gardening/ > > > > > > > > > > > blob > > > > > > > > > > > /ma > > > > > > > > > > > ster/MCP3002-I_SN.lib > > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi- > > > > > gardening/ > > > > > > > > > > > blob > > > > > > > > > > > /ma > > > > > > > > > > > ster/MCP3002-I_SN.lib>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/m > > > > > aster/Blix > > > > > > > > > > > ten% > > > > > > > > > > > 20L > > > > > > > > > > > ED%20Device/Blixten.sch > > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/ > > > > > master/Bli > > > > > > > > > > > xten > > > > > > > > > > > %20 > > > > > > > > > > > LED%20Device/Blixten.sch> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/ > > > > > master/Bli > > > > > > > > > > > xten > > > > > > > > > > > %20 > > > > > > > > > > > LED%20Device/Blixten.sch > > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/ > > > > > master/Bli > > > > > > > > > > > xten > > > > > > > > > > > %20 > > > > > > > > > > > LED%20Device/Blixten.sch>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/b > > > > > lob/master > > > > > > > > > > > /pcb > > > > > > > > > > > %20 > > > > > > > > > > > design/IGBT_board-cache.lib > > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/ > > > > > blob/maste > > > > > > > > > > > r/pc > > > > > > > > > > > b%2 > > > > > > > > > > > 0design/IGBT_board-cache.lib> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/ > > > > > blob/maste > > > > > > > > > > > r/pc > > > > > > > > > > > b%2 > > > > > > > > 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