Hi Ron Michael, I'd rather not. My views on XU CS are entirely different from the mainstream CS bunch that you guys belong to. :D
On the diploma - we belong to a country where a considerable amount of qualifications including the diploma, is required to apply for a clerk *in any respectable office*. You can also drop out of school, run for President of the republic, and win anyway. <rant> I lost interest in attending my CS classes because I believed it was a waste of time & money, dealing with teachers who recently graduated college themselves. How dare they lecture the *real* experienced students when it comes to the subject that they are teaching? </rant> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Don Manganar<[email protected]> wrote: > Nice Ron. I thought I was reading Sunscreen. :) Great, sound advice. > Applicable to college, not just to CS. > Especially the parts about smoking pot, drinking, making out, cheating, and > pretending to look smart. Good times! > > Lagi ba? To be exact, it's been 7 years since we graduated college. Kunot na > kaayo tag mga agtang... tsk tsk. > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Ron Michael Khu <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Sorry, I dont know of any relative of mine that is a freshmen at XUCS. >> >> But I think basically the advice/s given in the past generations are >> still feasible today. Both the traditional ones and the naughty >> ones(sleeping >> with a teacher, acquiring leakage, etc) :D >> >> So here goes.. basically mao ra pud ang ang gina ingon sa uban, but >> the phrasing and wording will be mine. >> >> (Ang mga medyo "fuzzy" na advice are the ones prefixed with "II" >> and they are the ones at the bottom.. This is actually the 2nd time >> Im composing a response; the first time was aroudn 1PM when my >> not so-SMART SMART-BRO caused an error and YM's faulty error handler >> for ajax messed up my email) >> >> >> 1. >> Dont underestimate math and other science subjects. >> >> Back when we were still in college (ex:mungkey, matt, brent, etc), >> Math and Physics were the hurdles. And students should watch out >> for the moody teachers, they are the hurdle-makers :D >> >> Some teachers are very biased against CS studes.. >> >> Those subjects are needed if the student is planning to focus on >> algorithms and the application of computer science in quantum physics, >> but rarely needed for a system's engineer with today's tools. >> >> And regardless of the plans for the future, those subjects >> are pre-requisites for graduation. >> >> >> >> 2. >> He/she should try to code or try out for one's self everything >> taught in a computer class the moment one arrives at >> home(or in a internet cafe or in a friend's home for that matter). >> Teachers would only teach the basics, and that's the maximum you can >> basically get. students should NOT expect they are to be spoon-fed >> or to be taught at all for that matter :D >> >> During that time there were no majors or specializations. CS studes >> were just going to end up as "Bachelors Major in CS", no sub specialty. >> But studes were already trying out to become web developers, >> db administrators, network programmers, 3D animators, jack-of-all-trades, >> etc. >> >> The student shouldn't worry. CS studes have a high passing rate in >> becoming a tech supprt or call center agent. Despite everything said >> against that path, it's a good starting point. Not everyone has >> the time, aptitude and heart to be a an IT freelancer or corporate sheep >> programmer. It's not the end if CS is not your calling. >> >> Basically, this is the "go the extra-mile" advice. >> >> And if the student's imagination is on-average, he can code in paper. >> Sa una ga code ra sa intermediate/yellow/bond paper si mungkey :D >> wala pa mi power na computer sa una na pwede makarun ug apps like >> the Java Dev Kit. Sa papel lang mag code and mag hulat sa pag open >> sa lab... >> >> >> >> 3. >> Enjoy college life. The student should make friends within and outside >> CS, and even beyod the bounds of XU. Build network of friends, friends >> will be extremely helpful regardless if the student is planning to be a >> freelancer or has plans on setting up his own business. >> >> >> >> 4. >> To be or not to be a.. graduate... >> >> Some people measure college achievement with a diploma, some with the >> number of friends, and some with other modes of measurements(including >> the naughty ones) :D >> >> Diploma isnt everything. We all know that, but a diploma is a good >> starting >> point especially when the majority of businesses are still >> diploma-oriented >> and not really workskill-based. I have one, but I have seen better >> programmers >> who didnt graduate. >> >> So the advice is: >> "while in school, study hard. Worry or focus later on the no-diploma >> approach >> when you have exhausted everything in the diploma-path." >> >> >> 5. >> While in school, work. >> >> Students should get a feeling what's it's like working as a professional >> or >> an active practicioner of his course. Dont wait for the >> on-the-job-training >> season to get a feel on things. >> >> CS studes can and should get projects from the internet. >> >> Students can basically start their career by using the free (free beer) >> stuff >> on the web.. free frameworks and applications and browser for clients in >> sites likes getafreelancer.com >> >> But they should remember to be responsible IT people, they shouldnt >> bid in system-critical projects where life or money is at stake IF they >> dont know enough about processes, threading, data integrity and security. >> >> >> There are enough govt and non-govt systems out there that are making >> problems >> for citizens. Lost sss information, loan balances, insurance payments, >> etc. >> >> They should also remember most foreigners remember and sort memories by >> country. >> So they shouldnt be cheating or giving non-working systems to unsuspecting >> foreigners, these foreign nationals might realize it and discriminate >> other >> would-be freelancers from our nation. >> >> >> ------------------------- >> Naa pa diay pakapin >> >> II.1 >> Unless if they are working students working in 4 different jobs, >> students shouldnt get an AF in easy subjects like >> Religiuos Studies. Read the bible, d*mmit! >> >> Dont get an AF. >> >> IF students cant cope up with drinking tanduay during the afternoon >> and still be able to come to a history class and pass whatever >> recitations and exams there are, then they have no right >> to be drinking. >> >> Yes, experimentation is common in college, labi na kanang >> wala pa katilaw sa high school. But SDH(sex, drugs and alcohol) >> are no reasons to get an AF.. financial problems may be, but SDH, >> NO. >> >> >> II.2 >> >> Memory recall is the cheapest thing. People have been called >> "bright" just because they have good memory. When in fact, almost >> anyone (except those with memory loss) have it. >> >> Acquire and maintain that IIlussion... >> >> Advise is >> "Speak-up and say something smart in class, teachers usually grade by >> memory-recall and sometimes it pays to be cute. And since not >> everyone can be cute, it pays to speak up and utter something >> smart(or something that may sound smart... or blurt something >> obvious, chances are people would still appreciate it and >> remember you for it)" >> >> >> >> III.3 >> Study the constitution and all the rizal-stuff. Read Article 14, >> section 3. It might help in future blogging plans and >> during college election campaign season. >> >> Plus, it would create the ilussion that you are an intellectual >> or a "concerned" citizen. >> >> >> II.4 >> >> It pays to be spiritual... pray to whoever or to whatever >> you consider to be the ONE, the MANY, the FORCE or WHATHAVEYOU. >> >> People are also moved by such stuff. >> >> >> II.5 >> >> And here are the extra advice >> >> If you are going to cheat, cheat smart. >> >> Dont get caught, copy from the right person. >> >> If you are going to download code from the internet, know >> enough about it so you can defend it. >> >> Group-cheating is bad. One squells, everyone goes down. >> Stick with a closed "unsuspicious" group, if you have to. >> >> Wear glasses, it makes you appear smart or unsuspicious >> for suspicious acts :D >> >> Beware of zealot teachers, they will think you have cheated >> anyway, even if you didnt. Damn idiots! >> >> Dont smoke marijuana out in the soccer field, get inside a closed >> heavily tinted car if you have to. >> >> If you are going to have an affair with someone in position, dont brag >> about it, >> people talk. >> >> If you are going to make out with your lover (2nd base and up), dont do >> it in the upper floors or >> in the library, XU will kick you out or at least humiliate you if you are >> caught doing >> something 3rd base. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Marvin Pascual<[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hello all, >> > >> > If you are the parent, brother/sister, friend, mentor, etc. of a BSCS >> > freshman at XU, what are the advices that you can share to him/her? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > --- >> > MARVIN T. 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