begin  quoting Mike Marion as of Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 02:29:00PM -0700:
> Quoting Stewart Stremler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> >Of course, without unions, those who do good work would have to yell for
> >a living wage.
> 
> You know, people love to say that, but IME, hasn't been true.  Hell, in my
> current job, I've been extremely happy with the compensation I get for my
> work, and would fight any attempt to unionize.

Yup. And part of the reason you have that experience is that the threat
of unionization.  I was a little unclear -- without the _concept_ of
unions and the threat of unionization, then even those who do good work
would likely have to yell for a living wage. (Better?)

Please don't get the impression that I'm recommending that ALL jobs be 
unionized.  I think it's better for employers to avoid becoming so 
obnoxious/abusive/whatnot that the employees would be willing to unionize.

Perhaps it's a good thing that unions are so obnoxious. The cost to the
employee is high -- so unionization would be taken only as a last resort
when conditions and treatment are worse than the alternative.

-Stewart "All things in moderation, and some less so." Stremler

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