On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 04:51:08PM -0800, Lan Barnes wrote:
> > 2 unanswered questions I have:
> >
> > * Are we sure it is more than a tiny fraction of creators that really are
> >   making a significant amount of $$ due to copyright?  My hypothesis was
> > that
> >   the vast majority are not.
>
> Then your issue is that copyright is poorly implemented. Abolishing it
> doesn't follow.

I think we first need to establish if and why vast majority aren't making a
significant amount of $$ from copyright.  Perhaps they are making it from some
other business model.  Perhaps they don't care to make $$$.  Perhaps their
creations don't appeal to a mass audience.  There are lots of reasons besides a
poorly implemented copyright system.

> > * Are we sure there aren't new post-copyright business models that would
> > be as
> >   good if not better than copyright model?  If so, this might go a long
> > way
> >   towards concerns about compensating creators.
> >
> > Chris
>
> Have you described one? I've been in and out of this thread, but most of
> the alternatives I've seen here are pie-in-the-sky "everything will be OK
> if we just let nature take its course" Marxist wet dreams. You can only
> believe they'll be better by ignoring human nature and history both.

I respect your comments.  How about taking our examples from open source world?
This isn't exactly what a post-copyright world would be like but it may be
close enough for our purposes.  Also, these are real business models and not
'pie-in-the-sky Marxist web dreams' to use your terminology...

==============================================
"Give Away the Recipe, Open A Restaurant" -
==============================================
Give away creations and sell
related 'services' like what Red Hat does.  Furthermore, rock bands could
promote their concerts by sharing their music over the Internet like the
Grateful Dead.  I heard many other bands are doing that now.  There is even
a name for bands that mimic what Grateful Dead did but I can't remember what it
is.

==============================================
"Linux/OSDL" -
==============================================
Be such a good artist/developer/writer/musician that your 'fans'
will pay you $$ to keep
creating.  This is what Linus T. is doing at the company funded Open Source
Development Labs.

==============================================
"JoelOnSoftware/O'Reilly" -
==============================================
Developer/authors could distribute
writings/code/music for free over the
Internet and *still* sell dead tree books.  Lack of copyright would not mean
I could walk into a book store and take any book I wanted!


Hope that helps.

Chris


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