From: "Christian Seberino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sun, March 25, 2007 11:39 pm, Gabriel Sechan wrote:
> By
> asking for a "voluntary" prayer, you're forcing everyone there, students
> and
> spectators alike, to stand by and wait while you pray. Sorry, you don't
> have a right to shove your beliefs down my throat. Actually, no, no I'm
> not
> sorry.
You seem to be reacting to a "voluntary prayer" as if it was a mandatory
prayer. One could argue this is going too far the other direction. Where
does it stop? Must we make it illegal to display Christmas decorations on
front lawns because someone "might be offended" ?
If I'm forced to stand there in order to continue with a school sponsored
event, its not voluntary, it has become mandatory. Now if the same student
wished to hold a prayer meeting before the event, he's quite free to.
When does this kind of vehement so called "separation of church and state
thinking" cross the line into "anti-Christianity thinking"?
WHy do you think its all about Christianity? I have the same opinions
wether its a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Shinto, Wiccan, or other prayer.
Your martyr syndrom is showing. It never ceases to amaze me how Christians
can be the vast majority of this country, yet still yell about being
repressed all the time.
> The Declaration is a work of a committee. He was merely the chief
> architect. And to pick nits, he doesn't say god, he says their creator.
> Besides which, you ought to learn what deism means. It means you
believe
> there is a god, but he has no effect on daily life. So yeah,
agnosticism
> and deism are pretty damn close.
What are you saying? Jefferson believes in a Creator and God yet he is
still agnostic?
He believed in a god that has no effect on the world today. If a god has
no effect on the world, wether or not he ever existed is an academic
question, the end result wether he did or not is the same.
> Sexually repressed? The fact that it considers premarital sex immoral,
> homosexuality immoral, and by many interpretations any position but
> missionary immoral.
Paul in the New Testament offers a solution for people who need sex...
1 Cor 7:9 "it is better to marry than to burn with passion" The Bible's
solution is *marriage*. It never says to be repressed. You may not like
the Bible's solution but it certainly does *not* command repression.
That is repression. The fact that they allow a narrow outlet (oh, and you
better make it right the first time, because you can't take that choice
back) doesn't stop it from being repression. Most repressive political
regimes have 1 outlet, its useful for their control of their populace. No
outlet means something will eventually burst. Giving an outlet means it can
be controlled.
Gabe
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