As always - more use of the Bible to verify the validity of the Bible -
this is known as circular logic.
There is nothing new or original in the Hebrew Bible (with the possible
exception of the Macabees, which might be considered to be REAL history),
the Christian Bible, or the Islamic Bible - they are all rehashes of stories
that have been around since the Sumarians - who trace their lineage back
over 250,000 years through the list of their Kings.
The Christ story itself is just another retelling of the resurected God
story that includes Osiras, Krishna, Mithra, etc. There are over 350 direct
comparisons with the life of Christ and Krishna (sometimes spelled
Kristna) - Krishna BTW means Black. There was even one resurected FEMALE
God(ess).
Mithra, who was worshipped by the Roman Military for over 600 years until
Constantine made Christianity the official religion of Rome about 304 AD.
With a military that had a history of killing emperors they disagreed with,
this was a dangerous thing for Constantine to do if the story of Mithra had
not been virtually the same as Christ. He merely told them that this was the
new name of "God." Incidentally - he was a Pagan Sun worshipper who remained
a Pagan until his death - we have only the word of the Priest who attended
hi that he converted on his death bed. People take a lot on faith alone.
This information is available to anyone who wants to investigate with an
open mind. It is amazing that so much eveidnce remains, considering the
efforts that the Churches have made to obliterate any evidence contradicting
their own "official" story.
Bill Eade
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From: "Ralph Shumaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Main Discussion List for KPLUG" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: Cox and the DMCA
Christian Seberino wrote:
On Sun, March 25, 2007 9:26 pm, Lan Barnes wrote:
Prayer is NOT illegal anywhere. FORCED prayer is in government funded
institutions. Can't you discern the difference?
If I'm not mistaken, you couldn't give a graduation commencement address
and ask for a *voluntary* prayer before you started.
Even your beloved Jefferson mentioned God in his Declaration Of
Independence.
Jefferson was a self-declared deist,
So what? And deist != atheist.
It's not as far away from it as you might think. deist ~= agnostic
That's a stretch. Jefferson's Declaration of Independence says that the
source of our inalienable rights is God. Now does the Declaration of
Independence say that or not?
They didn't want to *force* people to believe in Christianity but the
vast
majority would certainly be happy if more people followed the teachings
of
Christianity....be honest, help your neighbor, be faithful to your wife,
etc.
Why do you think that? Sexually repressed, superstitious, denying the
evidence of the senses and conclusions of reason? This is better for
everybody?
You didn't answer the question..unless you think Christianity teaches one
to be sexually repressed, superstitious and unreasonable? Can you show me
where in the New Testament it says that? I'm not sure your own comments
are, to use your words, "conclusions of reason".
Chris
Paul doesn't specify "sexual" repression, but he *definitely* speaks of
the repression of strong desires:
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not
known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had
said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner
of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came,
sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto
death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it
slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and
good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin,
that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that
sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under
sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but
what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is
good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I
find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not,
that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that
dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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Romans 8
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free
from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin,
condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk
not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but
they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is
life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to
the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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