My relationship with "Revealed" religion was a small part of my life - I was
expelled from Sunday school for asking questions that could not be answered
simply - like why does Easter fall on a different day each year? Doesn't
anyone know when Jesus arose from the dead? The answer quite simply is NO.
After all Ussher and Lightfoot came up with an exact date and time of the
creation of the Earth, and of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the garden
of Eden - even though there were no witnesses to the events. The stock
answer was that I had to take it on faith - I HAD TO BELIEVE. Why is there
no exact time and date of the resurrection when there were supposedly so
many witnesses? the REAL answer of course is so Easter does not fall on a
Pagan holiday.
James Ussher (1581-1656), Archbishop of Armagh, Primate of All Ireland, and
Vice-Chancellor of Trinity College in Dublin was highly regarded in his day
as a churchman and as a scholar. John Lightfoot (1602-1675), Vice-Chancellor
of Cambridge University was a contemporary of Ussher. Lightfoot published
his calculations in 1644, before Ussher's were completed.
One of the things that turned me off from Christianity is that the believers
cannot accept the fact that many people do not believe as they do. They
cannot conceive of any concept other than theirs being valid. Morality is
not reciting the "ten Commandments" - which ten are they talking about?
There are at least three different versions in the King James Bible alone.
Read the book! The first few of those being touted as "the real ones"
admonish the followers to believe in one particular God to the exclusion of
all others. Their argument is that if the non-believers would read the Bible
they would become Believers. WRONG! Many of the non-believers like myself
HAVE read the Bible -cover to cover - not just the parts taught by the
ministers. That is exactly why we are NOT believers.
As far as the stories of the other Crucified Saviors being made up to fit
the scriptures - many of these stories are well documented in the home
countries before much of even the Hebrew scriptures were written. As usual
the Church (Yes, Catholic, but accepted by others) labeled them Myths,
Legends, Stories, etc because they could not admit that there was anything
before Christianity without admitting that it was not unique. There are
hundreds of good historical books out there with the real information. You
may need to visit a large College library to find some of them though.
And for repression not being taught in the Bible - I think a thorough
reading will find plenty of it - women being subservient to their husbands,
slavery, concubines, etc. That isn't repression? You just have to read the
whole book.
It indicates typical Fundigelical thinking when the only argument is to
nit-pick something that is completely obvious to the vast majority of
readers in order to denigrate the writer. And yes, my faith in documented
history from far back beyond the 6000 year date of Earth's creation IS very
great - far greater than in the Christian mythology. The Christian Bible has
been revised, rewritten and edited by virtually every pope and monarch that
was in control at the time. That is why we have only 4 gospels now instead
of over 200. King James (of KJV Bible fame) is the one responsible for the
entry "Thou shall not suffer a witch to live" which was responsible for the
death of thousands of (mostly) women. The original Hebrew was "Thou shall
not suffer a POISONER to live" referring to anyone who poisoned a well or
oasis in the desert - a pretty serious thing in that area. King James was
deathly afraid of "Witches."
What I was saying about Mithra was that his story predated Christ by 600
years. Mithra's resurrection BTW is Mar 15th. Same song umpteenth verse.
Krishna predated Christ by 1200 years yet his story is so similar that if
the name wasn't read you would think that it was JC. BTW Christ is not a
name, it merely means the annointed one. This could apply to anyone admitted
to the Rabbinical Priesthood.
Freedom of Religion? Why then do the Christians pressure our Government even
today in the good old USA to take children from loving parents just because
they do not send them to a Church approved by the dominent (read Churches
with lots of money) group? I am all in favor of taxing ALL churches like any
other business. Just mention that you are a Wiccan or some other
non-revealed religion and all Hell literaly breaks loose condemning the
parents. In many states children are still taken away from the families on
this basis alone. The families are prohibited from teaching the children
their values, but it is still alright to brainwash "Christian" children from
the day they can talk. Let someone say something about restricting the
Churches from forcing their ideas on anyone and it is "DISCRIMINATION."
Freedom of Religion means freedom for a person to practice ANY Religion (or
none) or it is meaningless.
Bill Eade
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William Eade wrote:
As always - more use of the Bible to verify the validity of the Bible -
this is known as circular logic.
As always, assuming something that isn't because you don't want to pay
attention. Chris was saying that repression is not taught by The Bible.
I was pointing out (to Chris) that in a way it is (in a way).
There is nothing new or original in the Hebrew Bible (with the possible
exception of the Macabees, which might be considered to be REAL history),
the Christian Bible, or the Islamic Bible - they are all rehashes of
stories that have been around since the Sumarians - who trace their
lineage back over 250,000 years through the list of their Kings.
And this supposed 250,000 year history you think is more reliable than a
6,000 year history? Your faith in stories indeed is greater than mine.
The Christ story itself is just another retelling of the resurected God
story that includes Osiras, Krishna, Mithra, etc. There are over 350
direct comparisons with the life of Christ and Krishna (sometimes spelled
Kristna) - Krishna BTW means Black. There was even one resurected FEMALE
God(ess).
All these are stories made up to fit the prophesies of the Hebrew
Scriptures. They knew that God predicted the coming of Messiah, and even
knew many of the details, even back then. In the Garden of Eden, God said
that the Serpent shall bruise the heel of Man, and that Man shall bruise
the head of the Serpent. They knew the symbology. They were merely
trying to cash in on the prophecy, just as the Anti-Christ will do.
Mithra, who was worshipped by the Roman Military for over 600 years until
Constantine made Christianity the official religion of Rome about 304 AD.
With a military that had a history of killing emperors they disagreed
with, this was a dangerous thing for Constantine to do if the story of
Mithra had not been virtually the same as Christ. He merely told them
that this was the new name of "God." Incidentally - he was a Pagan Sun
worshipper who remained a Pagan until his death - we have only the word
of the Priest who attended hi that he converted on his death bed. People
take a lot on faith alone.
"Mithra, ... 304 AD." (This is an incomplete sentence, what were you
intending to say here in this sentence?)
This information is available to anyone who wants to investigate with an
open mind. It is amazing that so much eveidnce remains, considering the
efforts that the Churches have made to obliterate any evidence
contradicting their own "official" story.
I think you mean "the Church" (not "the Churches") as in the Catholic
Church.
Bill Eade
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Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:43 PM
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Christian Seberino wrote:
On Sun, March 25, 2007 9:26 pm, Lan Barnes wrote:
Prayer is NOT illegal anywhere. FORCED prayer is in government funded
institutions. Can't you discern the difference?
If I'm not mistaken, you couldn't give a graduation commencement
address
and ask for a *voluntary* prayer before you started.
Even your beloved Jefferson mentioned God in his Declaration Of
Independence.
Jefferson was a self-declared deist,
So what? And deist != atheist.
It's not as far away from it as you might think. deist ~= agnostic
That's a stretch. Jefferson's Declaration of Independence says that
the
source of our inalienable rights is God. Now does the Declaration of
Independence say that or not?
They didn't want to *force* people to believe in Christianity but the
vast
majority would certainly be happy if more people followed the
teachings
of
Christianity....be honest, help your neighbor, be faithful to your
wife,
etc.
Why do you think that? Sexually repressed, superstitious, denying the
evidence of the senses and conclusions of reason? This is better for
everybody?
You didn't answer the question..unless you think Christianity teaches
one
to be sexually repressed, superstitious and unreasonable? Can you show
me
where in the New Testament it says that? I'm not sure your own
comments
are, to use your words, "conclusions of reason".
Chris
Paul doesn't specify "sexual" repression, but he *definitely* speaks of
the repression of strong desires:
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not
known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had
said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner
of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came,
sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto
death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it
slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and
good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin,
that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good;
that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under
sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not;
but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it
is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good
thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is
good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not,
that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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Romans 8
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ
Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free
from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin,
condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk
not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is
life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject
to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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