James G. Sack (jim) wrote:
Gabriel Sechan wrote:
From: "Christian Seberino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I think it's fair for
a minister/priest/shaman to presch that abortion is wrong. I believe
it is
wrong for them to try to deny abortiions to those who disagree with
them.
Do you also believe it was ok for the North to be against slavery but
that
was wrong for the North to fight the Civil War to "impose" its views on
the South?
Ignoring your point for a minute- you do realize that the Civil War was
about state's rights and wether a state could secede from the union, not
about slavery, right? The majority of the north wasn't anti-slavery.
THe abolishion of slavery was a republican political move postwar. It
basicly ensured all southern blacks would vote for them, giving them
control of the country. It worked for over a decade too, until the
Tilden-Hayes fiasco.
CS's underlying point (separated from the Civil War aspect) deserves
further discussion.
I happen to believe that abortion is unfortunate, undesirable, and to
some extent morally offensive -- but some people think it very much more
offensive, comparing it to murder, even.
I happen to _feel_ that slavery is a so morally repugnant so as to
compare to the _feelings_ I have about murder.
Slavery is certainly ancient, and existed (in a varying way, I suppose)
for centuries. Our own charter and founding fathers openly treated
slavery in a way that sickens me, but apparently didn't sicken people
enough until a while later.
Why? Was new world slavery worse than historic tradition? Were people in
general becoming more aware and more participatory in matters of their
own "environment" (political, social, economic, ..)?
I am not much of a scholar on this issue, but it does seem that there
was a (world-)widespread growing objection to slavery and that the US
was closer to the trailing rather than leading edge of this movement. An
economics-uber-alles matter, perhaps.
Having said all that, let's get back to CS's point:
Sh/W/Could I argue for imposing my moral principles about slavery upon
the southern states in the 1860s. Hard to say about Sh/W/C isn't it? But
I will claim I would have made lots of (well, some) noise beating the
drum. In all honesty, I would have been supporting various pressures in
addition to persuasion to attempt a change. I'd like to claim that I
wouldn't be _imposing_ my morality on others, but I'm not sure. Is that
hypocritical?
OTOH, I strongly object to moral arguments for enforcing most sexual
prohibitions, and things like birth control education/practices and
also, even, abortion. Is that hypocritical?
Regards,
..jim
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