DJA wrote:
Ralph Shumaker wrote:
DJA wrote:
MattyJ wrote:
More correctly, you paid to rent time on someone else's network.
And it's not out of my way at all. In fact, your sending me
everything I need to know to use your network makes it quite
trivial on my part to do so. Your radio signals are in my house
unprotected.
You are right. *I* pay to be on someone else's network, not you.
Then you should do due diligences to protect that other entity's
network and not let vermin like me into it.
"should"? "should"?!
Didn't your mama teach you that it's not polite to "should" on people?
If I see someone with a weapon entering your house through a window
you left wide open, then I "should" (and shall) call the police. If
I know your phone number, maybe I "should" call you too.
Yes! that's it, the proper analogy: Accessing an open AP is like armed
burglary!
I may be mistaken, but this sounds a bit, um, sarcastic?
(At least I *hope* you don't see that like armed burglary.)
But if I see someone with a weapon entering thru the window that I
*know* you left open:
1) I'm not going to assume that burglary is all that may happen
2) I *am* going to assume that life and limb will be on the line
3) I'm not going to go in after the guy myself even if I have training
for such
4) I'm not going to assume that you won't mind such an entry just
because you purposely left it open
4a) (I *will* assume that with an open WAP)
WAP usage just does *not* pose much (if any) threat to life and limb.
But breaking into your wide open Weirdos® puter with little to no
protections set up for it? Sorry, but I'm just going to laugh my ass
off! (not really) But I know what happens when you try to tell
someone "You should protect your computer better than that.". They
usually tell you to mind your own fscking business. *THEN* I'll
laugh my ass off when they get cracked!
True enough. Although "Connecting to an open AP is breaking into a
computer" is past ridiculous.
I have trouble finding the source of that quote. Perhaps someone else
said it elsewhere in the thread?
>
But with that mindset, it promotes some of the rubbish ignorant
politicians spew in order to pass nonsensical laws: P2P or any kind of
file sharing is stealing! Sharing bandwidth is stealing! Playing a
radio is the barbershop without paying ASCAP is stealing!
And political rubbish based on bad analogies is a good reason why
analogies are needed in order to try to flesh out concepts that are
difficult to grasp by the ignorant. Analogies will be picked apart
wherever they don't fit and new analogies will emerge which also will be
picked apart. But the bottom line is that thru this process, the
ignorant will become much less ignorant of the concepts. They can
choose to remain lock-jaw clamped on to whatever analogy fits what they
*want* it to be, but not for sheer ignorance (unless they ignored the
exchanges).
But as for your renting bandwidth, yes, you rent it, but then you
turn around and broadcast it for free and allow free use of it. It's
like :) setting up a big screen tv and cable box facing a large
picture window with no curtains. You can't really get too upset if
the neighbors use their own remote controls and watch it from the
street.
Yep.
Hmmm, that might be a good way to get all the neighbors to watch your
house for you while you are away. They might be likely to hospitalize
any would-be thief. :)
Perhaps a sign next to the picture window (just to make it clear), "You
can bet your LIFE that my neighbors are watching you!!!".
Do you put locks on your trashcan? Let's say a neighbor of yours is
cheap and refuses to pay for municipal services, so they do not
have a trashcan. You only fill yours half way each week, so they
simply put their trash in your unsecured trashcan on trash night.
They have to trespass onto my property to do so. If I continually
put my trashcan on my neighbour's property, I shouldn't be surprised
if it gets filled (or thrown though my window). However, if my
neighbor empties his trashcan onto my property, and I find something
useful in the trash, guess what? I keep it.
He said trash night. That is implying that your can is on the curb,
ready for pickup the next day.
Sorry, I thought it was a contrived analogy and so didn't pay too much
attention to its details. Given those details it's even weaker. My
can's on the curb. Obviously, I've already put all my available trash
into it. I could care less what my neighbor (or anyone else for that
matter) adds. The city's going to take it all away in the morning
anyway and I'll have empty cans for another week. Where's the harm?
Like I said: lame!
Well, I certainly don't want my serial-killer neighbor to put any of his
stuff in my trash can. Maybe a few others as well. That would look bad
if the wrong trash-picker sees it. I could end up *very*
inconvenienced. But would that stop me from abandoning my trash can at
the curb? Prolly not. For the most part, I wouldn't care if passers-by
"steal" the empty space in my abandoned trash can, just as I probably
wouldn't care if anyone "steals" any of the junk I left in the trash can
I abandoned on the curb. Anything incrim-^H^H^H^H^H^H^H sensitive will
have gone thru my cross-cut shredder and/or my fireplace (or other
destructive process).
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Ralph
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