> Lan Barnes will be doing a presentation at the May meeting involving a
> database application using Tcl/Tk for the GUI work and program logic and
> PostgeSQL as the database.

That would be a great help!

> There is a project called Lazarus <http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org > which
> is trying to be a clone of Delphi/Kylix. It is cross-platform and uses the
> GTK toolkit for its graphical portions and uses the FreePascal compiler
> <http://www.freepascal.org >. The database portion is still somewhat weak,
> but Zeoslib <http://www.zeoslib.net > has just been ported over. I am using
> Lazarus to port some Delphi programs that I have written.

I took a quick look at the screen shots, it looks interesting.  I've
done a little in Pascal, mostly door games with toolkits for the
different OSes.  I'll have to dig out my Pascal books again =P

> I haven't found any of these to really be a satisfactory solution. The
> widget set is limited and it is difficult to create/derive new widgets and
> add them easily to the palette of available items. Because they are used to
> create the GUI (and nothing else) you don't get any help with the rest of
> your applications logic. Of course, that's a matter of personal preference,

How difficult is it to create widgets with GTK?  I mean coding it all
by hand, a window and a few buttons?  I remember the little time I
spent with vb, you dragged the button over, dropped it and it opened
up the editor to insert the code.  It's lazy, but it worked.  How
difficult would it be to create functions in PHP to do the graphical
part?

> and I'm sure someone will start screaming at me about clean separation of

Well, I won't scream at you =P

> UI and logic and how they hate Integrated Development Environments. I can
> also tell you that I can build a full-blown cross-platform GUI database app
> in about 15 minutes in Delphi (and soon Lazarus).

I think it's a neat idea...Maybe it's because I'm not a "real"
programmer.   I would like to spend more time on getting the code
right, to get the program to do what I want, rather than spending
hours on the UI.
 
-Judy

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