begin  quoting Gabriel Sechan as of Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 03:44:27AM -0500:
> >From: Stewart Stremler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[snip]
> >"Higher than assembly" does not mean "high level language".
>
> THats been the meaning of the term for the past 30 years.  Sorry if you 
> don't like it, but thats the way it is.

As the sea rises, the terrian changes.

I don't think I've *ever* heard of C referred to as a high-level language
in 20 years.  So no, that has *not* been the meaning of the term for the
past 30 years.  Maybe the first five years...

> >>                                                            As for the OO
> >> snipe-  face it pure OO languages lost for a reason- OO just isn't that
> >> useful.  The reality is that OO was not the silver bullet everyone 
> >claimed.
> >
> >Who is this "everyone"?
> 
> The people who pushed OO.

How many of those pushed C++ as an example of OO?

> >Pundits get paid to identify the next silver bullet. If they're right,
> >great, but they get paid even if they're wrong.  They don't get paid if
> >they fail to make Great Pronouncements.  So it's best to ignore all the
> >"silver bullet" rhetoric as much as possible.
> 
> We can agree on something!  Oh happy day :)

Heh.

The world will be ending shortly.

[snip]
> In some ways its an improvement.  In other ways it isn't-  I'm not sure 
> going from badly modularized non-OO code to badly modularized OO code or 
> overly complex class hierarchies is really a step forward- if anything I 
> think its a step back (additional complexity with no gain).  But yes, the 
> base problems and solutions are the same.

Both cases should result in the code being thrown away -- so I don't see
that much of a difference.  I think it's easier to fix up OO code, as
there are some powerful refactoring techniques that work well with OOLs,
so it may be a step back in comprehensibility, but it may be easier to
fix as well, given the right tools.

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