On Apr 14, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade wrote:
I think what's making this painful for us is that there's no clear
definitions of who's responsible for what on sparkplug. At the risk of
being shouted down for being a beaurocrat, I think we actually need to
create some organizational structure for management of sparkplug, and some
clear policies on notifying others of changes made to the club's
server/services.
I think the key here isn't so much the organizational structure, but the "policies on notifying." Like John said, the sysadmins are effectively the people in the sudoers. They're in there because they can be trusted not to screw things up too badly. I'd like to hope that they can be trusted to 1) change system-wide things only if they need changing; 2) change them in a way compatible with the system (in our case, the "Debian way"), 3) consider the consequences of changes and test accordingly; 4) document any such changes and notify other interested parties that the changes have been made (a posting to -steer should suffice).
I've been using -steer recently for such notifications and think it's been working well. Greg I know you did the same when you installed Amavis, and that also went smoothly. I suggest we simply continue along that theme. The mailing lists are the only things which were really a problem in the recent past, and again in keeping with the notification, John just made Mailman changes and told us here on -steer.
I'd be happy to take on the role of "Friendly Neighborhood
BOFH^H^H^H^HSysAdmin" if the other members are happy with it. Between the
mailing lists and the web site, there's honestly not all that much to do in
terms of maintenance, and I tend to be more easily reached than Josh.
I don't have a problem with this, although I'm not sure if it's fully necessary (see above). For now, however, I'd like to keep the website portion under my control until I get Plone streamlined and content duties delegated. Then I'll be needing your assistance on some of the content type creation and whatnot.
--j
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