Intro: I use Debian (Wheezy and Jessie) but that won't keep me from offering my opinions here (which should also be considered applicable to Debian)
On Friday, September 15, 2017 08:52:04 AM Clive Johnston wrote: > I know this is not going to be a popular subject for some, but I feel it > does need debated. I would like to propose dropping PIM (all of it) from > the iso (Kubuntu install medium) +1 > 1) PIM is a system resource hog - It starts services in the background > which lead to longer waiting times to actually boot into your desktop. We > tried to disable a lot of these services from auto-starting in Zesty and > found that our default install footprint (memory and speed getting to > desktop) was greatly reduced. +1 > 2) Majority of people don't actually use it - I am definitely in the > minority of Kubuntu users who actually do use PIM features, and I love it. > However, most users do not use it but are having it installed by default. > This means that they will then have to keep it updated, unless they > physically remove it. +1 > 3) iso size - PIM is a bit of a beast and is quite big size wise (when you > consider all the dependencies). Dropping it off the iso would make the > total iso size smaller and will also make installation a bit quicker as > hundreds of extra packages won't have to be installed. +1 > 4) Upgrade overhead - Every-time a Kubuntu user does an upgrade, PIM will > need to be upgraded too. For those on slower internet connections (like > myself) this can be slow and frustrating. This is even more annoying if > you don't even use the PIM suite! +1 > 5) KDE neon don't install it by default - The official KDE distribution > don't install it by default. Probably due to the resource hogging as > described above. I have no knowledge of neon, but it sounds like they understand PIM ;-) > 6) Any part of the suite can easily be installed via Discover, Muon or > Konsole by those who actually do want it. In my opinion opting in is more > in line with Freedoms of open source software rather than opting out (just > personal opinion). +1, and I'd almost echo what Franklin Weng says in the next post in the thread--I use Kmail (and the KDE desktop and some other KDE applications, e.g., kate and kwrite), but not much else (that I can recall offhand). I don't use kwallet, akregator, or korganizer, and would be happy to be specifically required to install those should I want them--and, really, the same for kmail, kate, and kwrite). It would be nice if there were a simple display related to the kde install which allowed me to pick which "optional" kde components I'd like to install by means of something like a list with checkboxes. > I'm interested in other opinions and a debate on the issue, so please reply > to this thread. > > Clive -- kubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
