Since Clay was the only one to speak for KDE PIM.... On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Clay Weber <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll vote in favor of KDEPIM > > Some Devil's advocate points that do not necessarily indicate my opinions on > this topicg > > 1) An increase in resource usage, sure. But "hog" is open to interpretation. > Just how much time are we saving during login? Is this still a thing? Don't > we all just close our laptop lids and move on, and seldom reboot our PCs?
That is true for me, certainly. > 2) How are we determining this? > > 3) and 4) how much is saved, and is this overhead really an issue? > > 5) Kubuntu is not Neon. Neon showcases Plasma Desktop. Kubuntu is a well > rounded easy to use distro that has extra software from the base Plasma > provides. > Note that "easy to use" is not the same thing as "newbie distro". I agree that we shouldn't compare ourselves to neon, since they have a different purpose and target market. We want to be tested, stable and efficient for *our* user base, which seems remarkably faithful. But do most of those users still use Kmail? My sense is that they don't. > 6) We could use this reasoning to remove a music player, irc client, > office suite, and anything else and have nothing to differentiate us from > KDE Neon. Good point. > Also, as part of the Ubuntu family, shouldn't we have similar features or at > least similar sets of installed software? What are our brethren using? > > Are there alternatives? How does just Kmail and the address book do, > resource-wise? I think this is worth investigation. Clive? > Lastly would this be a big slap in the face to the KDEPIM and greater KDE > community? > > Just some random thoughts. I don't know. I wonder if OpenSuSE and Fedora provide PIM by default? What about Debian? Valorie > Sent from my phone as I am at work for a while still. > > Clay Weber > > ------ Original message------ > From: Clive Johnston > Date: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 8:52 AM > To: Kubuntu Developer Discussion;[email protected]; > Cc: > Subject:Drop PIM from the iso (default install) > > I know this is not going to be a popular subject for some, but I feel it > does need debated. I would like to propose dropping PIM (all of it) from > the iso (Kubuntu install medium) > > Here are my reasons for doing so: > > 1) PIM is a system resource hog - It starts services in the background which > lead to longer waiting times to actually boot into your desktop. We tried > to disable a lot of these services from auto-starting in Zesty and found > that our default install footprint (memory and speed getting to desktop) was > greatly reduced. > > 2) Majority of people don't actually use it - I am definitely in the > minority of Kubuntu users who actu ally do use PIM features, and I love it. > However, most users do not use it but are having it installed by default. > This means that they will then have to keep it updated, unless they > physically remove it. > > 3) iso size - PIM is a bit of a beast and is quite big size wise (when you > consider all the dependencies). Dropping it off the iso would make the > total iso size smaller and will also make installation a bit quicker as > hundreds of extra packages won't have to be installed. > > 4) Upgrade overhead - Every-time a Kubuntu user does an upgrade, PIM will > need to be upgraded too. For those on slower internet connections (like > myself) this can be slow and frustrating. This is even more annoying if you > don't even use the PIM suite! > > 5) KDE neon don't install it by default - The official KDE distribution > don't install it by def ault. Probably due to the resource hogging as > described above. > > 6) Any part of the suite can easily be installed via Discover, Muon or > Konsole by those who actually do want it. In my opinion opting in is more > in line with Freedoms of open source software rather than opting out (just > personal opinion). > > I'm interested in other opinions and a debate on the issue, so please reply > to this thread. > > Clive -- http://about.me/valoriez -- kubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
