On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 10:42:13PM -0500, David Lesher wrote:
> Unnamed Administration sources reported that Kurt J. Lidl said:
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 12:07:38AM -0800, Paul H. Gusciora wrote:
> > > Are KX-TD programs #423 #427 #428 #429 focused on the S/T bus interaction
> > > between the KX-TD and the LEC?
> > 
> > I believe this to be true.
> 
> I don't have any Pana hardware here, so I'm shooting from the hip,
> but...
> 
> Note that:
> 
>       CO-----[NT1]=====[KXTD]
>             U        S/T
>  
> 
> There are no parameters to specify to an NT1; It's a dumb 2->4 wire
> adapter. (Sophisticated but dumb..). 
> 
>       CO-----[NT1+KXTD]
>             U        S/T
> 
> Ergo,  this config (w/ internal NT1) will look the same to software..

I'm not arguing that.  For ISDN, there is a defined standard way of
hooking up more than a single piece of gear to a S/T interface.  There
is not a defined way of hooking up multiple pieces of gear to a
U interface.

> > > Or do you think that the KX-TD systems can drive an ISDN telephone on one
> > > of the extensions?
> > 
> > I have no reason to believe this.  I suppose it could be true, I do know
> > that the digital PT sets use an ISDN-like signaling protocol.
> 
> I have been told that at least one of the Pana cards WILL drive either
> stations or trunks...

Well, as you pointed out, the S/T interface is 4 wire (2 pair, one for
Tx, one for Rx).  As we all know, the Panasonic proprietary phones use
a single digital pair for all the phone functions.

I could believe that the KX-TD switches use a varient of a U interface
to drive the phones.  (Hmmm, that two-line conferences limit comes to
mind as well.)

> > > If NI-1 is a standard, I wonder if there are a set of standard ordering
> > > sheets? Maybe one could purchase a document from Bellcore (or whatever
> > > they are called these days)? The document might be cheaper than the time
> > > wasted trying to achieve a mind meld with the LEC ordering representative.
> 
> You could buy the NI-1 docs from Bellcor^H^H TelCORDia. You'd be lots poorer
> and little smarter. Lots of "National" is in effect defined on the fly by the
> switch software folks.

I read a bit of those when we were trying to get ISDN to go for the first
time at UUNET.  Mind numbing.

> > If the KX-TD system had *any* diagnostic tools showing what the heck
> > was going on with respect to the ISDN signaling, that would be a huge
> > step in the right direction.
> 
> True..

I suppose having an external ISDN protocol analyser would be a good thing.
Taking a quick look, the only BRI boxes I found operate on the S/T
bus, and are passive devices.  So, I'm out of luck (as I have a U
interface) for using one of these.

-Kurt

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