Hi, I have never been involved with Ubuntu development. I don't know who you are talking about, but in the list you shared, I see my friend and former colleague, Reza Mohammadi, who is now a part of the FarsiTel team. Are you sure you are not mistaking me with someone else?
I am glad to see that Hossein is so keen to contribute. It will hopefully mean that we will have a more active team. I am only hoping that we don't let the quality drop, stick to standards, and have more inclusive approach to volunteers. I haven't looked at his contributions, but I am sure we could work together and discuss should a disagreement occur. Cheers, Farzaneh. On 26 November 2010 17:47, Hossein Noorikhah <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Charles, > > To be honest, I have no problem with cooperation, but project history has > shown that this is not the case. I want to translate, code, and bug hunt > without thinking about management issues, but when I see the current > management forbids any progress, I think I should be bold and say what I > know. > > I suggest you to see what Farsiweb guys did at Ubuntu Launchpad, which has > a > translation tool called Rosetta. Me and others started translating there, > but after a while, a guy from Farsiweb who was the owner of the > localization project, removed other members and forced all the translations > to be marked as suggestions, and they were never incorporated in the main > translations. > This created a lot of criticism from members of technotux, a major Persian > language linux community: > > > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html(in<http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in> > Persian) > > Former members (of Ubuntu-fa team) > These are the members whose subscriptions have expired, or were deactivated > by themselves or by a team administrator. > Name Joined in Status > Abbas Esmaeeli 2006-09-06 Deactivated > Amir Masoud Parvanian 2006-06-28 Deactivated > Bianux 2006-09-01 Deactivated > hadi farnoud 2006-03-15 Deactivated > Hamed Zaghaghi 2006-08-24 Deactivated > Hossein Noorikhah 2006-07-14 Deactivated > Jalal Rohani 2006-08-20 Deactivated > Kaveh Mousavi Zamani 2006-06-24 Deactivated > Kia Teymourian 2006-09-16 Deactivated > Moein Alinaghian 2006-07-02 Deactivated > Reza Mohammadi 2006-08-12 Deactivated > sadegh 2006-09-19 Deactivated > > > I think these kind of policies does not create any progress. > > Perhaps you could work together? I believe the Persian Native-Language > > Project of OpenOffice.org led by Farsiweb was the first native-lang > > community to support LibreOffice the very day of its opening > > > > *As I remember, I was the guy who promised to work on Persian localization > at LibreOffice IRC, on the opening day. Don't you remember "Hossein"?* > > Also we do tend to acknowledge past contributions in the OpenOffice.org > > project. > > > > That seems reasonable, but there is nothing as the contribution to the > project, by FarsiWeb. They just locked the project for 6 years, and I'm > afraid that the same thing will happen for LibreOffice. I don't want to > wait > 6 or 10 years from now to see a localized version of LibreOffice. > > Why did you forked OpenOffice? The very same reason holds for Persian team > of OpenOffice, who no longer want to be under supervision of a group that > blocks contributions from people, and does not care about the project. > > If this is not enough, I can forward you my communications with OpenOffice > guys. > > Hossein > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Charles-H. Schulz < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello Hossein, > > > > Perhaps you could work together? I believe the Persian Native-Language > > Project of OpenOffice.org led by Farsiweb was the first native-lang > > community to support LibreOffice the very day of its opening :-) > > > > Also we do tend to acknowledge past contributions in the OpenOffice.org > > project. > > > > Pootle Admins: > > I would strongly suggest Farzaneh gets her Pootle > > account. > > > > Best, > > Charles. > > > > Le Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:26:20 +0330, > > Hossein Noorikhah <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Thanks for your attention, but I'm really against giving the > > > coordination of this project to Mrs. Sarafraz and FarsiWeb Inc., the > > > company that took over fa.openoffice.org and did nothing within 6 > > > years, from 2005 until now, near end of 2010. > > > > > > Some time in 2005, Meelad Zakaria, a member of Farsiweb ltd. > > > requested for adding Persian locale for OpenOffice. > > > http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4443 > > > I asked Meelad to add me to the project, so I could contribute in > > > localizing OpenOffice.org, About 1 month after receiving my message, > > > he just added me as an observer. I sent him other messages regarding > > > the status of the project, and I asked him "what he'll do", but I > > > couldn't get an appropriate answer from him. After a lot of effort, > > > and warnings from OpenOffice guys because of locking the project, he > > > added me as a developer. > > > > > > Some time later, I saw the Persian localized version of Linux from > > > Farsiweb ltd. that contained Persian OpenOffice.org. > > > http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Main_Page > > > It seems that Meelad registered as the project leader of > > > OpenOffice.org, and then stopped the job, because they wanted their > > > Persian version of OpenOffice.org to be unique. > > > Now, after about 6 years, you see no progress in the project. > > > > > > After that, I decided to devote my time on fixing i18n bugs (my > > > username is "h15n" there), and I think my efforts was helpful for > > > OO.o users. Fixing problems with justified Persian > > > text<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=28203>, > > > and including context shaping of > > > numbers<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=98418>, > > > was vital for the real world usage of OpenOffice, and I'm happy to > > > continue spending my time on > > > it<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=100940>. Please > > > tell me one useful thing that FarsiWeb did during past 6 years, > > > rather than locking the project? > > > > > > Please note that farsilinux.ir is not a personal website. I > > > registered this domain, for the sole purpose of localization of open > > > source software, including LibreOffice. Please don't point to > > > fa.openoffice.org, as it's just a 2 page Persian translation of some > > > pages from English OOo which was copied after a lot of questions > > > raised about FarsiWeb policies. Copying those 2 pages won't take a > > > lot of time. > > > > > > I don't want to continue this talk, but if it's needed, I can forward > > > my communications with guys at OpenOffice.org for further insight on > > > FarsiWeb policies against contribution of interested people. They > > > just sign up as the project owner and disappear. > > > > > > I'm currently a PhD. candidate at computer department of Amirkabir > > > University of Technonlogy <http://ceit.aut.ac.ir>, and I've spent > > > many years on development of localized Persian software. Because of > > > this, I think I can handle the coordination of this project. > > > Furthermore, I have no plan to use my position as a way to gain > > > financial benefits. In fact, I really care about this project, as > > > I've spent a lot of time for it before. > > > > > > I've talked to some members of fa.openoffice.org before planing to be > > > the coordinator of the Persian localization of LibreOffice and they > > > are also against making FarsiWeb the coordinator. I've started > > > working on farsilinux.ir, and I think soon we'll have a great place > > > where we can welcome anyone (even FarsiWeb guys) who wants to > > > contribute to LibreOffice. > > > > > > Hossein > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Farzaneh Sarafraz > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We already have a homepage at fa.openoffice.org. I also have a > > > > local full recent backup of the data there. Thanks, Hossein for > > > > showing interest in the > > > > fa_IR project, but I think you should put a link to the page we > > > > already have > > > > rather than a non-existing external personal (?) page. > > > > > > > > I'll fix it for now until we move the page over to libreoffice. > > > > > > > > Farzaneh. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > > > > [email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>< > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>> List > > > > archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/l10n/ *** All posts to > > > > this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Charles-H. 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