On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Mostafa Daneshvar < [email protected]> wrote:
> Oh LALA, > guys, this is very simple: just contribute libreoffice. If we've got > problem then we can do something. This is a New era in Office. > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Farzaneh Sarafraz <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have never been involved with Ubuntu development. I don't know who you >> are >> talking about, but in the list you shared, I see my friend and former >> colleague, Reza Mohammadi, who is now a part of the FarsiTel team. Are you >> sure you are not mistaking me with someone else? >> >> I am glad to see that Hossein is so keen to contribute. It will hopefully >> mean that we will have a more active team. I am only hoping that we don't >> let the quality drop, stick to standards, and have more inclusive approach >> to volunteers. >> >> I haven't looked at his contributions, but I am sure we could work >> together >> and discuss should a disagreement occur. >> >> Cheers, >> Farzaneh. >> >> >> On 26 November 2010 17:47, Hossein Noorikhah <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > Dear Charles, >> > >> > To be honest, I have no problem with cooperation, but project history >> has >> > shown that this is not the case. I want to translate, code, and bug hunt >> > without thinking about management issues, but when I see the current >> > management forbids any progress, I think I should be bold and say what I >> > know. >> > >> > I suggest you to see what Farsiweb guys did at Ubuntu Launchpad, which >> has >> > a >> > translation tool called Rosetta. Me and others started translating >> there, >> > but after a while, a guy from Farsiweb who was the owner of the >> > localization project, removed other members and forced all the >> translations >> > to be marked as suggestions, and they were never incorporated in the >> main >> > translations. >> > This created a lot of criticism from members of technotux, a major >> Persian >> > language linux community: >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html(in<http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in> >> < >> http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in >> > >> > Persian) >> > >> > Former members (of Ubuntu-fa team) >> > These are the members whose subscriptions have expired, or were >> deactivated >> > by themselves or by a team administrator. >> > Name Joined in Status >> > Abbas Esmaeeli 2006-09-06 Deactivated >> > Amir Masoud Parvanian 2006-06-28 Deactivated >> > Bianux 2006-09-01 Deactivated >> > hadi farnoud 2006-03-15 Deactivated >> > Hamed Zaghaghi 2006-08-24 Deactivated >> > Hossein Noorikhah 2006-07-14 Deactivated >> > Jalal Rohani 2006-08-20 Deactivated >> > Kaveh Mousavi Zamani 2006-06-24 Deactivated >> > Kia Teymourian 2006-09-16 Deactivated >> > Moein Alinaghian 2006-07-02 Deactivated >> > Reza Mohammadi 2006-08-12 Deactivated >> > sadegh 2006-09-19 Deactivated >> > >> > >> > I think these kind of policies does not create any progress. >> > >> > Perhaps you could work together? I believe the Persian Native-Language >> > > Project of OpenOffice.org led by Farsiweb was the first native-lang >> > > community to support LibreOffice the very day of its opening >> > > >> > >> > *As I remember, I was the guy who promised to work on Persian >> localization >> > at LibreOffice IRC, on the opening day. Don't you remember "Hossein"?* >> > >> > Also we do tend to acknowledge past contributions in the OpenOffice.org >> > > project. >> > > >> > >> > That seems reasonable, but there is nothing as the contribution to the >> > project, by FarsiWeb. They just locked the project for 6 years, and I'm >> > afraid that the same thing will happen for LibreOffice. I don't want to >> > wait >> > 6 or 10 years from now to see a localized version of LibreOffice. >> > >> > Why did you forked OpenOffice? The very same reason holds for Persian >> team >> > of OpenOffice, who no longer want to be under supervision of a group >> that >> > blocks contributions from people, and does not care about the project. >> > >> > If this is not enough, I can forward you my communications with >> OpenOffice >> > guys. >> > >> > Hossein >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Charles-H. Schulz < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Hello Hossein, >> > > >> > > Perhaps you could work together? I believe the Persian Native-Language >> > > Project of OpenOffice.org led by Farsiweb was the first native-lang >> > > community to support LibreOffice the very day of its opening :-) >> > > >> > > Also we do tend to acknowledge past contributions in the >> OpenOffice.org >> > > project. >> > > >> > > Pootle Admins: >> > > I would strongly suggest Farzaneh gets her Pootle >> > > account. >> > > >> > > Best, >> > > Charles. >> > > >> > > Le Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:26:20 +0330, >> > > Hossein Noorikhah <[email protected]> a écrit : >> > > >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > Thanks for your attention, but I'm really against giving the >> > > > coordination of this project to Mrs. Sarafraz and FarsiWeb Inc., the >> > > > company that took over fa.openoffice.org and did nothing within 6 >> > > > years, from 2005 until now, near end of 2010. >> > > > >> > > > Some time in 2005, Meelad Zakaria, a member of Farsiweb ltd. >> > > > requested for adding Persian locale for OpenOffice. >> > > > >> http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4443 >> > > > I asked Meelad to add me to the project, so I could contribute in >> > > > localizing OpenOffice.org, About 1 month after receiving my message, >> > > > he just added me as an observer. I sent him other messages regarding >> > > > the status of the project, and I asked him "what he'll do", but I >> > > > couldn't get an appropriate answer from him. After a lot of effort, >> > > > and warnings from OpenOffice guys because of locking the project, he >> > > > added me as a developer. >> > > > >> > > > Some time later, I saw the Persian localized version of Linux from >> > > > Farsiweb ltd. that contained Persian OpenOffice.org. >> > > > http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Main_Page >> > > > It seems that Meelad registered as the project leader of >> > > > OpenOffice.org, and then stopped the job, because they wanted their >> > > > Persian version of OpenOffice.org to be unique. >> > > > Now, after about 6 years, you see no progress in the project. >> > > > >> > > > After that, I decided to devote my time on fixing i18n bugs (my >> > > > username is "h15n" there), and I think my efforts was helpful for >> > > > OO.o users. Fixing problems with justified Persian >> > > > text<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=28203>, >> > > > and including context shaping of >> > > > numbers<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=98418>, >> > > > was vital for the real world usage of OpenOffice, and I'm happy to >> > > > continue spending my time on >> > > > it<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=100940>. Please >> > > > tell me one useful thing that FarsiWeb did during past 6 years, >> > > > rather than locking the project? >> > > > >> > > > Please note that farsilinux.ir is not a personal website. I >> > > > registered this domain, for the sole purpose of localization of open >> > > > source software, including LibreOffice. Please don't point to >> > > > fa.openoffice.org, as it's just a 2 page Persian translation of >> some >> > > > pages from English OOo which was copied after a lot of questions >> > > > raised about FarsiWeb policies. Copying those 2 pages won't take a >> > > > lot of time. >> > > > >> > > > I don't want to continue this talk, but if it's needed, I can >> forward >> > > > my communications with guys at OpenOffice.org for further insight on >> > > > FarsiWeb policies against contribution of interested people. They >> > > > just sign up as the project owner and disappear. >> > > > >> > > > I'm currently a PhD. candidate at computer department of Amirkabir >> > > > University of Technonlogy <http://ceit.aut.ac.ir>, and I've spent >> > > > many years on development of localized Persian software. Because of >> > > > this, I think I can handle the coordination of this project. >> > > > Furthermore, I have no plan to use my position as a way to gain >> > > > financial benefits. In fact, I really care about this project, as >> > > > I've spent a lot of time for it before. >> > > > >> > > > I've talked to some members of fa.openoffice.org before planing to >> be >> > > > the coordinator of the Persian localization of LibreOffice and they >> > > > are also against making FarsiWeb the coordinator. I've started >> > > > working on farsilinux.ir, and I think soon we'll have a great place >> > > > where we can welcome anyone (even FarsiWeb guys) who wants to >> > > > contribute to LibreOffice. >> > > > >> > > > Hossein >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Farzaneh Sarafraz >> > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Hi, >> > > > > >> > > > > We already have a homepage at fa.openoffice.org. I also have a >> > > > > local full recent backup of the data there. Thanks, Hossein for >> > > > > showing interest in the >> > > > > fa_IR project, but I think you should put a link to the page we >> > > > > already have >> > > > > rather than a non-existing external personal (?) page. >> > > > > >> > > > > I'll fix it for now until we move the page over to libreoffice. >> > > > > >> > > > > Farzaneh. >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >> > > > > [email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < >> l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < >> > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < >> l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>>< >> > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < >> l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < >> > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < >> l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>>> >> List >> > > > > archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/l10n/ *** All posts to >> > > > > this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Charles-H. 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