Hi, Ok. Let's go straight to the job and discuss these issues later. :-) On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Farzaneh Sarafraz <[email protected]>wrote:
> +1 :) > > On 26 November 2010 21:09, Charles-H. Schulz < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > As I wrote earlier: you are all going to contribute to LibreOffice. How > > about that? :) > > > > thanks Mostafa, > > > > Charles. > > > > 2010/11/26 Mostafa Daneshvar <[email protected]> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Mostafa Daneshvar < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Oh LALA, > > > > guys, this is very simple: just contribute libreoffice. If we've got > > > > problem then we can do something. This is a New era in Office. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Farzaneh Sarafraz < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> I have never been involved with Ubuntu development. I don't know who > > you > > > >> are > > > >> talking about, but in the list you shared, I see my friend and > former > > > >> colleague, Reza Mohammadi, who is now a part of the FarsiTel team. > Are > > > you > > > >> sure you are not mistaking me with someone else? > > > >> > > > >> I am glad to see that Hossein is so keen to contribute. It will > > > hopefully > > > >> mean that we will have a more active team. I am only hoping that we > > > don't > > > >> let the quality drop, stick to standards, and have more inclusive > > > approach > > > >> to volunteers. > > > >> > > > >> I haven't looked at his contributions, but I am sure we could work > > > >> together > > > >> and discuss should a disagreement occur. > > > >> > > > >> Cheers, > > > >> Farzaneh. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 26 November 2010 17:47, Hossein Noorikhah <[email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Dear Charles, > > > >> > > > > >> > To be honest, I have no problem with cooperation, but project > > history > > > >> has > > > >> > shown that this is not the case. I want to translate, code, and > bug > > > hunt > > > >> > without thinking about management issues, but when I see the > current > > > >> > management forbids any progress, I think I should be bold and say > > what > > > I > > > >> > know. > > > >> > > > > >> > I suggest you to see what Farsiweb guys did at Ubuntu Launchpad, > > which > > > >> has > > > >> > a > > > >> > translation tool called Rosetta. Me and others started translating > > > >> there, > > > >> > but after a while, a guy from Farsiweb who was the owner of the > > > >> > localization project, removed other members and forced all the > > > >> translations > > > >> > to be marked as suggestions, and they were never incorporated in > the > > > >> main > > > >> > translations. > > > >> > This created a lot of criticism from members of technotux, a major > > > >> Persian > > > >> > language linux community: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html(in<http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in> > > < > > > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in > > > > > > < > > > > > > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in > > > > > > > >> < > > > >> > > > > > > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in > > > >> > > > > >> > Persian) > > > >> > > > > >> > Former members (of Ubuntu-fa team) > > > >> > These are the members whose subscriptions have expired, or were > > > >> deactivated > > > >> > by themselves or by a team administrator. > > > >> > Name Joined in Status > > > >> > Abbas Esmaeeli 2006-09-06 Deactivated > > > >> > Amir Masoud Parvanian 2006-06-28 Deactivated > > > >> > Bianux 2006-09-01 Deactivated > > > >> > hadi farnoud 2006-03-15 Deactivated > > > >> > Hamed Zaghaghi 2006-08-24 Deactivated > > > >> > Hossein Noorikhah 2006-07-14 Deactivated > > > >> > Jalal Rohani 2006-08-20 Deactivated > > > >> > Kaveh Mousavi Zamani 2006-06-24 Deactivated > > > >> > Kia Teymourian 2006-09-16 Deactivated > > > >> > Moein Alinaghian 2006-07-02 Deactivated > > > >> > Reza Mohammadi 2006-08-12 Deactivated > > > >> > sadegh 2006-09-19 Deactivated > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > I think these kind of policies does not create any progress. > > > >> > > > > >> > Perhaps you could work together? I believe the Persian > > Native-Language > > > >> > > Project of OpenOffice.org led by Farsiweb was the first > > native-lang > > > >> > > community to support LibreOffice the very day of its opening > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > *As I remember, I was the guy who promised to work on Persian > > > >> localization > > > >> > at LibreOffice IRC, on the opening day. Don't you remember > > "Hossein"?* > > > >> > > > > >> > Also we do tend to acknowledge past contributions in the > > > OpenOffice.org > > > >> > > project. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > That seems reasonable, but there is nothing as the contribution to > > the > > > >> > project, by FarsiWeb. They just locked the project for 6 years, > and > > > I'm > > > >> > afraid that the same thing will happen for LibreOffice. I don't > want > > > to > > > >> > wait > > > >> > 6 or 10 years from now to see a localized version of LibreOffice. > > > >> > > > > >> > Why did you forked OpenOffice? The very same reason holds for > > Persian > > > >> team > > > >> > of OpenOffice, who no longer want to be under supervision of a > group > > > >> that > > > >> > blocks contributions from people, and does not care about the > > project. > > > >> > > > > >> > If this is not enough, I can forward you my communications with > > > >> OpenOffice > > > >> > guys. > > > >> > > > > >> > Hossein > > > >> > > > > >> > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Charles-H. Schulz < > > > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > Hello Hossein, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Perhaps you could work together? I believe the Persian > > > Native-Language > > > >> > > Project of OpenOffice.org led by Farsiweb was the first > > native-lang > > > >> > > community to support LibreOffice the very day of its opening :-) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Also we do tend to acknowledge past contributions in the > > > >> OpenOffice.org > > > >> > > project. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Pootle Admins: > > > >> > > I would strongly suggest Farzaneh gets her Pootle > > > >> > > account. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Best, > > > >> > > Charles. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Le Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:26:20 +0330, > > > >> > > Hossein Noorikhah <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Hi, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks for your attention, but I'm really against giving the > > > >> > > > coordination of this project to Mrs. Sarafraz and FarsiWeb > Inc., > > > the > > > >> > > > company that took over fa.openoffice.org and did nothing > within > > 6 > > > >> > > > years, from 2005 until now, near end of 2010. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Some time in 2005, Meelad Zakaria, a member of Farsiweb ltd. > > > >> > > > requested for adding Persian locale for OpenOffice. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4443 > > > >> > > > I asked Meelad to add me to the project, so I could contribute > > in > > > >> > > > localizing OpenOffice.org, About 1 month after receiving my > > > message, > > > >> > > > he just added me as an observer. I sent him other messages > > > regarding > > > >> > > > the status of the project, and I asked him "what he'll do", > but > > I > > > >> > > > couldn't get an appropriate answer from him. After a lot of > > > effort, > > > >> > > > and warnings from OpenOffice guys because of locking the > > project, > > > he > > > >> > > > added me as a developer. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Some time later, I saw the Persian localized version of Linux > > from > > > >> > > > Farsiweb ltd. that contained Persian OpenOffice.org. > > > >> > > > http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Main_Page > > > >> > > > It seems that Meelad registered as the project leader of > > > >> > > > OpenOffice.org, and then stopped the job, because they wanted > > > their > > > >> > > > Persian version of OpenOffice.org to be unique. > > > >> > > > Now, after about 6 years, you see no progress in the project. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > After that, I decided to devote my time on fixing i18n bugs > (my > > > >> > > > username is "h15n" there), and I think my efforts was helpful > > for > > > >> > > > OO.o users. Fixing problems with justified Persian > > > >> > > > text<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=28203>, > > > >> > > > and including context shaping of > > > >> > > > numbers<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=98418 > >, > > > >> > > > was vital for the real world usage of OpenOffice, and I'm > happy > > to > > > >> > > > continue spending my time on > > > >> > > > it<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=100940>. > > > Please > > > >> > > > tell me one useful thing that FarsiWeb did during past 6 > years, > > > >> > > > rather than locking the project? > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Please note that farsilinux.ir is not a personal website. I > > > >> > > > registered this domain, for the sole purpose of localization > of > > > open > > > >> > > > source software, including LibreOffice. Please don't point to > > > >> > > > fa.openoffice.org, as it's just a 2 page Persian translation > of > > > >> some > > > >> > > > pages from English OOo which was copied after a lot of > questions > > > >> > > > raised about FarsiWeb policies. Copying those 2 pages won't > take > > a > > > >> > > > lot of time. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I don't want to continue this talk, but if it's needed, I can > > > >> forward > > > >> > > > my communications with guys at OpenOffice.org for further > > insight > > > on > > > >> > > > FarsiWeb policies against contribution of interested people. > > They > > > >> > > > just sign up as the project owner and disappear. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I'm currently a PhD. candidate at computer department of > > Amirkabir > > > >> > > > University of Technonlogy <http://ceit.aut.ac.ir>, and I've > > spent > > > >> > > > many years on development of localized Persian software. > Because > > > of > > > >> > > > this, I think I can handle the coordination of this project. > > > >> > > > Furthermore, I have no plan to use my position as a way to > gain > > > >> > > > financial benefits. In fact, I really care about this project, > > as > > > >> > > > I've spent a lot of time for it before. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I've talked to some members of fa.openoffice.org before > planing > > > to > > > >> be > > > >> > > > the coordinator of the Persian localization of LibreOffice and > > > they > > > >> > > > are also against making FarsiWeb the coordinator. I've started > > > >> > > > working on farsilinux.ir, and I think soon we'll have a great > > > place > > > >> > > > where we can welcome anyone (even FarsiWeb guys) who wants to > > > >> > > > contribute to LibreOffice. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Hossein > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Farzaneh Sarafraz > > > >> > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Hi, > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > We already have a homepage at fa.openoffice.org. I also > have > > a > > > >> > > > > local full recent backup of the data there. Thanks, Hossein > > for > > > >> > > > > showing interest in the > > > >> > > > > fa_IR project, but I think you should put a link to the page > > we > > > >> > > > > already have > > > >> > > > > rather than a non-existing external personal (?) page. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > I'll fix it for now until we move the page over to > > libreoffice. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Farzaneh. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > >> > > > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > > > >> > > > > [email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>> < > > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>>> < > > > >> l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>> < > > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>>>> > < > > > >> > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>> < > > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>>> > < > > > >> l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>> > < > > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>< > l10n%[email protected]<l10n%[email protected]> > > > > >>>>< > > > >> > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>> < > > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>>> > < > > > >> l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>> > < > > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>< > l10n%[email protected]<l10n%[email protected]> > >>>> > > < > > > >> > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>>> > < > > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]> < > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>< > l10n%[email protected]<l10n%[email protected]> > >>> > > < > > > >> l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>< > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>> < > > l10n%[email protected] <l10n%[email protected]>< > l10n%[email protected]<l10n%[email protected]>>> > < > > > l10n%[email protected]<l10n%[email protected]>< > l10n%[email protected]<l10n%[email protected]> > >< > > l10n%[email protected]<l10n%[email protected]> > <l10n%[email protected]<l10n%[email protected]> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> List > > > >> > > > > archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/l10n/ *** All > posts > > > to > > > >> > > > > this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > -- > > > >> > > Charles-H. 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