This is almost the exact discussion I was in when Alien Swarm was released and people didn't play custom campaigns. Then without valve updates they stopped playing it all together. It's difficult to get a good team of players and ones that know the maps and even harder to get them to play that long. That's why people stick to stock campaigns -everyone knows the maps. -Liquid Gravity
--- Original Message --- From: "Vincent Adinolfi" <vincentadino...@gmail.com> Sent: December 12, 2013 2:11 PM To: l4dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [L4Dmapper] L4Dmapper Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1 The return on the work you put into the campaign is what made me stop. Not enough support/interest in custom campaigns for it to be worth it. I've just be doing small UDK projects for the past year or so instead. By all means don't let me discourage anyone with this, I lurk this mailing list all the time but just wanted to chime in because that collaboration idea sounds interesting, now that I'm working full time too. On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:00 PM, <l4dmapper-requ...@list.valvesoftware.com>wrote: > Send L4Dmapper mailing list submissions to > l4dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > l4dmapper-requ...@list.valvesoftware.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > l4dmapper-ow...@list.valvesoftware.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of L4Dmapper digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person (Alexis H) > 2. Re: [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person (Rectus) > 3. Re: [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person (Ook) > 4. Re: [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person (Alexis H) > 5. Re: [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person (Dan Jordan) > 6. Re: [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person (Tim Douglas) > 7. Re: [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person (ics) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:54:18 +0100 > From: Alexis H <drboo...@gmail.com> > To: Left 4 Dead Modder List <l4dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: [L4Dmapper] [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person > Message-ID: > < > cacegw_18hp6ftxj0-+sfcscdlrrgs7vryezbrz8da3cgxvl...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It's been quiet lately on the list. > Anyone still working on a project? I'm currently working on a 4-map > campaign... but the problem is that it's so much work for a single man.I've > finished 2/4 maps but for normal people who have full time jobs (or go to > school) it's sometimes demoralizing to see how much work you still have > left to do before you can share your stuff with the players. > > I can' be the only one who sometimes wishes he could take 2 months off work > and work on his map full time :-D > > Anyways, what about you guys? Anything in the pipeline? > > -Alex > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:05:43 +0100 > From: Rectus <rectus...@gmail.com> > To: Left 4 Dead Modder List <l4dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [L4Dmapper] [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person > Message-ID: <52a9c2b7.7010...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'm pretty much in the same situation. Not enough time to work on > improving my campaign. At least I got enough work done this summer to > release a public beta. > > > Alexis H skrev 2013-12-12 14:54: > > It's been quiet lately on the list. > > Anyone still working on a project? I'm currently working on a 4-map > > campaign... but the problem is that it's so much work for a single > man.I've > > finished 2/4 maps but for normal people who have full time jobs (or go to > > school) it's sometimes demoralizing to see how much work you still have > > left to do before you can share your stuff with the players. > > > > I can' be the only one who sometimes wishes he could take 2 months off > work > > and work on his map full time :-D > > > > Anyways, what about you guys? Anything in the pipeline? > > > > -Alex > > _______________________________________________ > > L4Dmapper mailing list > > L4Dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:17:07 -0700 > From: Ook <ooksser...@zootal.com> > To: Left 4 Dead Modder List <l4dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [L4Dmapper] [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person > Message-ID: <52a9c563.1030...@zootal.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Tell me about it. I'm doing a remake of my old Hoover Dam map, turning > it into a L4D2 campaign, "Into the Dam". We have it choreographed, the > basic campaign outlined, and the first map well under way, but dang.... > real life is just brutal sometimes. > > I could whip out a HL Deathmatch map relatively easily and quickly, but > as you said, there is just so much work to do.... > > It seems most of the campaigns we get are by kids who don't have full > time obligations, or no life cause all they do is work on their > campaign.... > > > On 12/12/2013 06:54 AM, Alexis H wrote: > > It's been quiet lately on the list. > > Anyone still working on a project? I'm currently working on a 4-map > > campaign... but the problem is that it's so much work for a single > man.I've > > finished 2/4 maps but for normal people who have full time jobs (or go to > > school) it's sometimes demoralizing to see how much work you still have > > left to do before you can share your stuff with the players. > > > > I can' be the only one who sometimes wishes he could take 2 months off > work > > and work on his map full time :-D > > > > Anyways, what about you guys? Anything in the pipeline? > > > > -Alex > > _______________________________________________ > > L4Dmapper mailing list > > L4Dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:29:17 +0100 > From: Alexis H <drboo...@gmail.com> > To: Left 4 Dead Modder List <l4dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [L4Dmapper] [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person > Message-ID: > < > cacegw_3lu3nbrytauogkshjsldddavivycc0kmhehayhz8y...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Holy shit I thought I was the only one with this feeling, but you perfectly > nailed it. > Some people are able to whip out a decent campaign in such short time, I > wonder how they do it. > > I just finished map 2 of the 4 maps I was planning, and I just need a > break. So I'm making a map for TF2 Mann Versus Machine (which shouldn't > take too long) > > Perhaps we should all come together and found a game development company > :-P > > -Alex > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Ook <ooksser...@zootal.com> wrote: > > > Tell me about it. I'm doing a remake of my old Hoover Dam map, turning it > > into a L4D2 campaign, "Into the Dam". We have it choreographed, the basic > > campaign outlined, and the first map well under way, but dang.... real > life > > is just brutal sometimes. > > > > I could whip out a HL Deathmatch map relatively easily and quickly, but > as > > you said, there is just so much work to do.... > > > > It seems most of the campaigns we get are by kids who don't have full > time > > obligations, or no life cause all they do is work on their campaign.... > > > > > > > > On 12/12/2013 06:54 AM, Alexis H wrote: > > > >> It's been quiet lately on the list. > >> Anyone still working on a project? I'm currently working on a 4-map > >> campaign... but the problem is that it's so much work for a single > >> man.I've > >> finished 2/4 maps but for normal people who have full time jobs (or go > to > >> school) it's sometimes demoralizing to see how much work you still have > >> left to do before you can share your stuff with the players. > >> > >> I can' be the only one who sometimes wishes he could take 2 months off > >> work > >> and work on his map full time :-D > >> > >> Anyways, what about you guys? Anything in the pipeline? > >> > >> -Alex > >> _______________________________________________ > >> L4Dmapper mailing list > >> L4Dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > L4Dmapper mailing list > > L4Dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:17:22 -0500 > From: Dan Jordan <daniel.ross.jor...@gmail.com> > To: Left 4 Dead Modder List <l4dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [L4Dmapper] [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person > Message-ID: > <CAACwxdcJdYKCcYWpeYu= > 3tnyxqnrgg-zdsctmnua62_yis2...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I am not currently working on any L4D projects. > > As much as I enjoyed learning, designing and building Urban Flight, it's > frustrating how infrequently I see it played. While I do have other ideas > for campaigns, I'm reluctant to sacrifice a significant portion of my > non-working time to it. I feel the constant pull of wanting to do > Source-engine mapping (I've also considered making a Mann vs Machine map), > so I'm sure I'll give in at some point, but that might not be until Left 4 > Dead 3 or whatever. > > Meanwhile, I decided to jump off the deep end and make a full game using > the Unity engine. Really easy and fun for general game design, but > absolutely piss-poor for mapping. > > -- > *Daniel Jordan* > www.daniel-jordan.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:09:49 -0500 > From: Tim Douglas <tim2...@gmail.com> > To: Left 4 Dead Modder List <l4dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [L4Dmapper] [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person > Message-ID: > <CAAPHnR5N7774+==kSm5C3dKCzsT7N-zr20jOd=-_g=- > zix_...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm in the same boat as everyone here. I'm thinking of taking my current > campaign and switching it to CS:GO. I seem to remember CS being a lot > easier to map for, but that was when I was in college, too. > > Tim > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Alexis H <drboo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > It's been quiet lately on the list. > > Anyone still working on a project? I'm currently working on a 4-map > > campaign... but the problem is that it's so much work for a single > man.I've > > finished 2/4 maps but for normal people who have full time jobs (or go to > > school) it's sometimes demoralizing to see how much work you still have > > left to do before you can share your stuff with the players. > > > > I can' be the only one who sometimes wishes he could take 2 months off > work > > and work on his map full time :-D > > > > Anyways, what about you guys? Anything in the pipeline? > > > > -Alex > > _______________________________________________ > > L4Dmapper mailing list > > L4Dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > > > > > > -- > Timothy David Douglas, M.Arch. > http://linkedin.com/in/tdd4000 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:52:33 +0200 > From: ics <i...@ics-base.net> > To: Left 4 Dead Modder List <l4dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [L4Dmapper] [L4DMapper] So much work for a single person > Message-ID: <52a9f7e1.10...@ics-base.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Of course it is easier, 1 map instead of several and no headaches as > much as L4D2 gives. I already moved on from L4D2 long ago to TF2 and CSGO. > > -ics > > Tim Douglas kirjoitti: > > I'm in the same boat as everyone here. I'm thinking of taking my current > > campaign and switching it to CS:GO. I seem to remember CS being a lot > > easier to map for, but that was when I was in college, too. > > > > Tim > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Alexis H <drboo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> It's been quiet lately on the list. > >> Anyone still working on a project? I'm currently working on a 4-map > >> campaign... but the problem is that it's so much work for a single > man.I've > >> finished 2/4 maps but for normal people who have full time jobs (or go > to > >> school) it's sometimes demoralizing to see how much work you still have > >> left to do before you can share your stuff with the players. > >> > >> I can' be the only one who sometimes wishes he could take 2 months off > work > >> and work on his map full time :-D > >> > >> Anyways, what about you guys? Anything in the pipeline? > >> > >> -Alex > >> _______________________________________________ > >> L4Dmapper mailing list > >> L4Dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > L4Dmapper mailing list > L4Dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper > > > End of L4Dmapper Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1 > **************************************** > -- Vincent Adinolfi 203.506.6387 www.vincentadinolfi.com _______________________________________________ L4Dmapper mailing list L4Dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper _______________________________________________ L4Dmapper mailing list L4Dmapper@list.valvesoftware.com https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l4dmapper
