Cort, Why must you rephrase in some odd manner, what I said, and attack me for that in a straw man argument? "...that it is all about the oil..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
It's not becoming, much less attractive to use a Strawman argument against someone whose pointing out there are more things to look at then the instant news of the Western Media and Western back terrorists posing as revolutionaries in Syria, as facts, when the news articles themselves say, nothing has been verified, while the subject line states for certain it is Assad. What you've said here in your reply is that Oil and water lines are of no interest to the West after I said it is of interest? Why then is the West intent on over throwing Assad? Please search PNAC Syria. Cheney Syria, Rumsfeld Syria. Syrian Girl Warns of Chemical Weapons False Flag Months Ago <http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/geopolitics/syrian-girl-warns-of-chemicalweapons-false-flag-months-ago.html#sthash.5TnikFRl.dpuf> >From your posts on Syria and replies to me, your very much a supporter of the Western backed Terrorists posing as revolutionaries, with your push that only Assad is the bad guy, no one else could have done this, no one else has anything to profit. At least that's the impressing your giving, ignoring opportunities to even have common ground about Syria. Does this mean your definitely not willing to discuss any of the other influences I've brought up? That it must be Assad, and in no way can these gas attacks be coming from US backed forces, no matter how many articles have shown that after the Western Media has had the Emotional Headlines, we find out the gas attacks came form Foreign Fighter held areas INTO the popular revolutionaries homes, and then those same Foreign interest forces send instant media alerts out claiming it is Assad, and that Assad won't let the UN into areas, without mentioning he has no control over those areas, it's the foreign terrorists that have that control? Why why why such the heavy defense of, it can't possibly be US backed forces? The impression I'm getting from your replies is you want anything but communication about this area, all attention must only be upon Assad and only use sources that show him as the sole bad guy, the only one possible to have done this, the only one to gain, when it possibly nuts to think he'd let UN Inspectors in, then fire gas attacks into an area close to where they are. True, the Western Media, and the Western backed Terrorists posing as revolutionaries in Syria, don't mention these other facts, lying by omission tells the story they want others to view as truth. Scott > Believe what you must Scott but Syria over 2 years ago before the > revolution and now a war within a many wars ranked 32nd in oil production > and I am sure since has dropped many places in the rankings( in fact the > Assad regime still deals with many of the right wing Islamist groups that > are backed by different sub imperialists in sharing what little oil is now > being produced). So your argument that its all about the oil holds as much > weight as those who said the US invasion of Afghanistan was about oil when > the US intervention really started their in 1978. > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:12 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> I still find these accusations much to much convenient, profitable, for >> the Western Backed Corporate USA. >> >> There have been at least three articles posted to this group over the >> last >> year showing when UN Inspectors were able to get into areas the gas was >> used in, and note NONE of those areas are accessible by Assad and his >> troops, that in each instance 'the gas came form the direction of the >> foreign fighters'. >> >> IN each instance, those fighting for a Democratic Government, were the >> targets. the Western Backed Government in Exile is NOT Democratic, who >> in >> this day and age actually thinks the USA backs Democracy, they've >> attacked >> and destroyed or at least vilified every Democracy that has ever >> threatened the Corporatcy they represent. >> >> I don't see anyone who can profit from this except the Corporations >> wanting access to Syria for Oil lines and water lines to Israel and the >> Mediterranean Sea. >> >> In my youth US destroyers shelled the hell out of a Civilian section of >> Beirut FOR DAYS, and our then external mercenary army, al Qaeda >> recruited >> and funded by the CIA (the worlds largest drug dealer) decided the US >> needed a face lift too and promised to destroy an architecture of power >> in >> the USA, preferably the Twin Towers. Al Qaeda is now in Syria and they >> are >> always present when Chemical attacks occur, and those who suffer are >> always those who fomented the popular revolution in the first place, >> never >> the foreign terrorists, err.. revolutionaries whom are their for their >> own >> purposes. >> >> I take it, these guys, always associate with 'regime change' and al >> Qaeda >> are conveniently forgotten each time human rights abuses the likes of >> which the USA has a centuries long track record of committing, have been >> comfortably forgotten. >> >> http://pnac.info/category/syria/ >> >> http://www.examiner.com/article/pnac-moving-to-syria >> >> >> http://globalresearch.ca/the-neocons-project-for-the-new-american-century-american-world-leadership-syria-next-to-pay-the-price/5305447 >> >> Go ahead, just search PNAC and Syria, and see 'who profits'. It sure as >> hell won't be the people of Syria. >> >> If nothing changes, then nothing changes. >> >> Scott >> >> >>From Informed Comment >> > >> > If the regime did use gas, what are its motives? Iraq used gas in the >> > 1980s >> > because it had far fewer troops than Iran and wanted to level the >> playing >> > field. Likewise, the Syrian army has shrunk through Sunni desertions >> to a >> > shadow of its former self and so cant control the whole country any >> more. >> > Its recent advances in the Homs area were offset by losses around >> Aleppo >> > in >> > the north, including the fall of a major military air base. Weakened >> > armies >> > facing a demographically larger foe often resort to unconventional >> > armaments. >> > >> > Likewise, the regime clearly is seeking to terrify the population into >> > submission. Again, Saddam Hussein tried that with the Kurds and >> Shiites. >> > Mass killings of restive populations by a regime raise the cost of >> > insurgency, the regime hopes to unacceptably high levels. Could the >> Baath >> > have done this? This is the regime that slaughtered at least 10,000 at >> > Hama >> > in 1982, so sure. >> > >> > http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/august/syria-method-in-assad-madness.htm >> > >> > Method in Assad's madness? >> > >> > *Syrian regime has little to fear now from using chemical weapons* >> > >> > [image: Tweet >> > this!]<http://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Method%20in%20Assad >> 's%20madness?%20Syrian%20regime%20has%20little%20to%20fear%20now%20from%20using%20chemical%20weapons%20 >> http://bit.ly/14WxsGG%20(al-bab.com)> >> > >> > The obvious question raised by today's claims of chemical weapons >> attacks >> > near Damascus is what the Assad regime could expect to gain, if indeed >> it >> > was responsible for them. >> > >> > Many are asking this question out of scepticism about the reports. Why >> do >> > it when UN weapons inspectors are sitting in their hotel just a few >> miles >> > from the scene? Why use chemicals when the regime seems to be making >> > progress on the military front by more conventional means? >> > >> > These are reasonable questions but they don't necessarily reflect the >> > Assad >> > regime's thought processes: the Baathist mentality has its own kind of >> > logic. >> > >> > Let's suppose, purely for the sake of argument, that the regime did >> use >> > some kind of toxic agent. What are the UN inspectors going to do about >> it? >> > >> > Precise details of the inspectors' mandate are secret but the New York >> > Times >> > says< >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/world/middleeast/syria.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&&pagewanted=all >> > >> > : >> > >> > "After months of negotiation with the Syrian government about access >> to >> > the >> > country, the United Nations said a team of inspectors would >> investigate >> > three sites, including the village of Khan al-Assal near the northern >> city >> > of Aleppo, where both sides have accused the other of a chemical >> attack >> on >> > March 19 that killed dozens of people. >> > >> > "The location of the other two sites has not been made public, and the >> > United Nations team has said it will seek to determine only if >> chemical >> > weapons were used, not who used them." >> > >> > It appears from this that today's attacks (it that's what they were) >> are >> > not included, and that even if they were the inspectors would not be >> > empowered to attribute responsibility for them. >> > >> > The UN can ask to include today's events of course, but the regime >> could >> > then drag out discussions until there is little or nothing to be >> found. >> > Evidence may surface through other channels, only to be dismissed by >> the >> > regime as coming from partisan sources. >> > >> > The upshot of this is that the chances of the regime being caught >> > red-handed, and convincingly so, are fairly slim. At this stage in the >> > conflict, though, it probably doesn't matter too much to the regime >> > whether >> > it is caught red-handed or not (as I shall explain in a moment). >> > >> > On the question of what the regime might gain militarily from such >> > attacks, >> > the answer may be very little. But that assumes the regime is thinking >> > only >> > in military terms, when the real purpose could be political. One >> pointer >> > is >> > this direction (though it might conceivably be nothing more than >> > coincidence) is that the alleged attacks came on the one-year >> > anniversary<http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/20/world/meast/syria-unrest> >> > of >> > President Obama's famous "red line" warning against the use of >> chemical >> or >> > biological weapons in Syria a warning that Obama has been noticeably >> > reluctant to act upon. >> > >> > As I suggested in a previous blog >> > post< >> http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/may/threats-galore-over-hezbollah-in-syria.htm >> >, >> > whatever the suspicions about Syrian use of chemical weapons, Obama >> would >> > probably prefer the charges to remain unproven in order to avoid >> > difficult decisions over how to respond. >> > >> > Internationally, the Syrian regime sees itself as part of the >> "resistance" >> > bloc, constantly giving the finger to the US and other western >> countries, >> > as well as to its Arab foes. Assad's strategy from the beginning of >> the >> > uprising has been to ratchet up the violence step by step, to see what >> he >> > can get away with, before taking it up another notch. >> > >> > Given this background, Assad may now be calculating that the time is >> ripe >> > to cross Obama's red line with impunity. It's a risk, but if he >> succeeds >> > he >> > will have demonstrated once and for all that where Syria is concerned >> the >> > "international community" is impotent and in total disarray. >> > >> > Of course, there are expressions of alarm from many capitals, and >> calls >> > for >> > the UN security council to meet. But it is difficult to see what they >> can >> > actually do, considering that the public have so far been in no mood >> for >> > military action. >> > >> > There is also, of course, the parallel question of Egypt. If Sisi can >> > massacre people in Egypt with guns while the US dithers over what to >> do >> > about aid, is it really very different if Assad massacres them with >> > chemicals? Either way, the people are dead. >> > >> > So a short alternative answer to the question "why?" is that Assad has >> > little to lose now from using chemical weapons and potentially a lot >> to >> > gain on the political front. He may well be thinking: "If I can get >> away >> > with this I can get away with anything." And he could be right. >> > >> > * >> > Posted by Brian Whitaker >> > Wednesday, 21 August 2013 * >> > >> > *Post your comment:* 1 >> > Comment< >> http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/august/syria-method-in-assad-madness.htm#disqus_thread >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Recent blog posts >> > >> > Assads >> > game-changer< >> http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/august/assad-game-changer.htm> >> > UN gives Syrian regime the go-ahead for chemical attacks >> > >> > Method in Assad's >> > madness?< >> http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/august/syria-method-in-assad-madness.htm> >> > Syrian regime has little to fear now from using chemical weapons >> > >> > [image: Halabja, Iraq - 1988. Saddam Hussein gases Kurds in the North, >> > killing more than 5,000. Eastern Ghouta, Syria - 2013. Bashar Al Assad >> > gasses the suburbs of Damascus killing more than 1,200. >> > ]<http://www.therevoltingsyrian.com/image/59020939608> >> > >> > Halabja, Iraq - 1988. Saddam Hussein gases Kurds in the North, killing >> > more >> > than 5,000. >> > >> > Eastern Ghouta, Syria - 2013. Bashar Al Assad gasses the suburbs of >> > Damascus killing more than 1,200. >> > < >> http://www.therevoltingsyrian.com/post/59020939608/halabja-iraq-1988-saddam-hussein-gases-kurds >> > >> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yw0mvxewAw >> > >> > >> > >> > THIS IS WHAT 50 DEAD CHILDREN BEING PREPARED FOR BURIAL LOOKS LIKE. >> > Damascus (Jobar): Aug 21, 2013 - And the world thought pictures like >> these >> > would never be seen again in this day and age, the Age of Information. >> > These children are a fraction of the (as of this writing) 1,750 people >> who >> > were gassed to death by Assads forces yesterday. As many as 6,000 >> other >> > people are still fighting for their lives from the effects of the >> attack. >> > >> > >> > http://www.therevoltingsyrian.com/ >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > [image: Syria Analysis: 4 Points On A Chemical Weapons Attack & What >> > Happens >> > Now]< >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-analysis-three-points-on-chemical-weapons-attack-what-happens-now/ >> > >> > Syria Analysis: 4 Points On A Chemical Weapons Attack & What Happens >> > Now< >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-analysis-three-points-on-chemical-weapons-attack-what-happens-now/ >> > >> > >> > August 22nd, 2013 | *by Joanna Paraszczuk* >> > >> > On Wednesday, the Assad regime surprised and shocked the world with a >> wave >> > of attacks probably with chemical weapons >> > >> > Syria <http://eaworldview.com/?cat=123>[image: >> > 539059_648575721833058_941259052_n]< >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-today-a-chemical-weapons-attack-now-a-regime-offensive/ >> > >> > Syria Today: A Chemical Weapons Attack, & Now A Regime >> > Offensive< >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-today-a-chemical-weapons-attack-now-a-regime-offensive/ >> > >> > >> > August 22nd, 2013 | *by Joanna Paraszczuk* >> > >> > LATEST: Expert: Symptoms Of Attack Victims, as Described by Field >> Hospital >> > Doctor, Are Consistent With Anti-Cholinesterase Agent Like Sarin >> > >> > Syria <http://eaworldview.com/?cat=123>[image: Syria 1st-Hand: An >> > Eyewitness Account of Wednesdays Regime >> > Attacks]< >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-1st-hand-an-eyewitness-account-of-wednesdays-regime-attacks/ >> > >> > Syria 1st-Hand: An Eyewitness Account of Wednesdays Regime >> > Attacks< >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-1st-hand-an-eyewitness-account-of-wednesdays-regime-attacks/ >> > >> > >> > August 22nd, 2013 | *by Scott Lucas* >> > >> > An eyewitness from Zamalka describes what happened during Wednesday >> > mornings attacks. You call these terrorists? These are children. 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