Cort, We certainly agree on what started the war within Syria. This is the first instance you've brought that up, and I've mentioned them as the Popular Revolution several times.
We've been talking about who is doing the gassing attacks, I pointed out that foreigners profit from pinning this on Assad. Lets get back to that subject instead of going all over the place. What you keep putting out and I keep trying to get you to look at other information and facts is that Syria is on the short list of the PNAC/USA/Saudi Arabia for removing the present leadership. It's been on the short list before the Popular revolution started. We both agree the popular revolution is a peoples revolution. Do you agree that there are US/CIA Funded al Qaeda in Syria? Do you agree that the House of Saud has it's own militants in Syria? Your aware of the reports that Israel has it's own contingent working form them in Syria? Your aware that the popular revolution, the one where the people of Syria works with NONE of them? But, when the Corporate media, and the US backed terrorists in Syria claim that Assad uses gas, without any proof what so ever other then reports from the Western or Saud backed terrorists, your one of many carrying the message it has to be Assad, and will not look at the past UN inspections whose on the ground people, interviewing those who were gassed (whom all are of the popular revolution) have stated the gas shelling came from the area of the foreign fighters, not from Assads forces. I've even sent a link where al Jahzeera (sp) had the images of the massacre posted on their web site BEFORE IT HAPPENED. I've sent link of people who before the very first gas attack, said they saw foreign fighters with US made gas masks, Assad only uses Russian Products. No one is painting Assad as a good guy in any manner, but doing damage control for the Western terrorists who got there after it was certain the Popular Revolution couldn't overthrow Assad, doesn't help. We've had enough WMD false flag items to get us into wars. Obama states using gas will be over the line and he'll interfere! SO we get gas attacks. Assad lets UN inspectors in, and we get gas attacks in the area close to the UN Inspectors. Come on, if you know that data, that doesn't make you think to look for more data? Hitler and Goebbels were incompetents with their State Run Propaganda, the US system was already well advanced of theirs in 1938, and sure hasn't stopped. Instant reports to western media of gas attacks are not going to come from an area that US media IGNORES, which is the Popular Revolution, and then gets world wide front page headlines. 'I'm sure your as aware as I am, anything on the front headlines are there to emotionally control what your decisions will be. Will you now applaud US intervention, something that will probably makes the 3 days of shelling the civilian section of Beirut loo like a warm up practice? It's certainly making the start of WW III look acceptable........... Scott > Scott, you believe you want but your scenario is all wrong, the > Imperialists ( of all shades and sub imperialists) were quite happy to > deal > with the regime and still are in some cases and oil has nothing to do with > it. But the Syrian revolution started over 2 years ago when 13 children > painted on the walls of Dara," the people want the fall of the regime" as > part of the Arab Springs uprising .They were arrested, tortured and some > assassinated. In many towns people came on in rallies against it. They > were > attacked by Assad forces and many were repressed and arrested. Now if you > want make up stories you can but your facts are mostly wrong. What started > out as a revolution has become a war within many wars with many actors. > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:35 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Cort, >> >> Why must you rephrase in some odd manner, what I said, and attack me for >> that in a straw man argument? "...that it is all about the oil..." >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man >> >> It's not becoming, much less attractive to use a Strawman argument >> against >> someone whose pointing out there are more things to look at then the >> instant news of the Western Media and Western back terrorists posing as >> revolutionaries in Syria, as facts, when the news articles themselves >> say, >> nothing has been verified, while the subject line states for certain it >> is >> Assad. >> >> What you've said here in your reply is that Oil and water lines are of >> no >> interest to the West after I said it is of interest? Why then is the >> West >> intent on over throwing Assad? >> >> Please search PNAC Syria. Cheney Syria, Rumsfeld Syria. >> >> Syrian Girl Warns of Chemical >> Weapons False Flag Months Ago >> >> < >> http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/geopolitics/syrian-girl-warns-of-chemicalweapons-false-flag-months-ago.html#sthash.5TnikFRl.dpuf >> > >> >> From your posts on Syria and replies to me, your very much a supporter >> of >> the Western backed Terrorists posing as revolutionaries, with your push >> that only Assad is the bad guy, no one else could have done this, no one >> else has anything to profit. At least that's the impressing your giving, >> ignoring opportunities to even have common ground about Syria. >> >> Does this mean your definitely not willing to discuss any of the other >> influences I've brought up? >> >> That it must be Assad, and in no way can these gas attacks be coming >> from >> US backed forces, no matter how many articles have shown that after the >> Western Media has had the Emotional Headlines, we find out the gas >> attacks >> came form Foreign Fighter held areas INTO the popular revolutionaries >> homes, and then those same Foreign interest forces send instant media >> alerts out claiming it is Assad, and that Assad won't let the UN into >> areas, without mentioning he has no control over those areas, it's the >> foreign terrorists that have that control? >> >> Why why why such the heavy defense of, it can't possibly be US backed >> forces? >> >> The impression I'm getting from your replies is you want anything but >> communication about this area, all attention must only be upon Assad and >> only use sources that show him as the sole bad guy, the only one >> possible >> to have done this, the only one to gain, when it possibly nuts to think >> he'd let UN Inspectors in, then fire gas attacks into an area close to >> where they are. >> >> True, the Western Media, and the Western backed Terrorists posing as >> revolutionaries in Syria, don't mention these other facts, lying by >> omission tells the story they want others to view as truth. >> >> Scott >> >> > Believe what you must Scott but Syria over 2 years ago before the >> > revolution and now a war within a many wars ranked 32nd in oil >> production >> > and I am sure since has dropped many places in the rankings( in fact >> the >> > Assad regime still deals with many of the right wing Islamist groups >> that >> > are backed by different sub imperialists in sharing what little oil is >> now >> > being produced). So your argument that its all about the oil holds as >> much >> > weight as those who said the US invasion of Afghanistan was about oil >> when >> > the US intervention really started their in 1978. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:12 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> ** >> >> >> >> >> >> I still find these accusations much to much convenient, profitable, >> for >> >> the Western Backed Corporate USA. >> >> >> >> There have been at least three articles posted to this group over the >> >> last >> >> year showing when UN Inspectors were able to get into areas the gas >> was >> >> used in, and note NONE of those areas are accessible by Assad and his >> >> troops, that in each instance 'the gas came form the direction of the >> >> foreign fighters'. >> >> >> >> IN each instance, those fighting for a Democratic Government, were >> the >> >> targets. the Western Backed Government in Exile is NOT Democratic, >> who >> >> in >> >> this day and age actually thinks the USA backs Democracy, they've >> >> attacked >> >> and destroyed or at least vilified every Democracy that has ever >> >> threatened the Corporatcy they represent. >> >> >> >> I don't see anyone who can profit from this except the Corporations >> >> wanting access to Syria for Oil lines and water lines to Israel and >> the >> >> Mediterranean Sea. >> >> >> >> In my youth US destroyers shelled the hell out of a Civilian section >> of >> >> Beirut FOR DAYS, and our then external mercenary army, al Qaeda >> >> recruited >> >> and funded by the CIA (the worlds largest drug dealer) decided the US >> >> needed a face lift too and promised to destroy an architecture of >> power >> >> in >> >> the USA, preferably the Twin Towers. Al Qaeda is now in Syria and >> they >> >> are >> >> always present when Chemical attacks occur, and those who suffer are >> >> always those who fomented the popular revolution in the first place, >> >> never >> >> the foreign terrorists, err.. revolutionaries whom are their for >> their >> >> own >> >> purposes. >> >> >> >> I take it, these guys, always associate with 'regime change' and al >> >> Qaeda >> >> are conveniently forgotten each time human rights abuses the likes of >> >> which the USA has a centuries long track record of committing, have >> been >> >> comfortably forgotten. >> >> >> >> http://pnac.info/category/syria/ >> >> >> >> http://www.examiner.com/article/pnac-moving-to-syria >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://globalresearch.ca/the-neocons-project-for-the-new-american-century-american-world-leadership-syria-next-to-pay-the-price/5305447 >> >> >> >> Go ahead, just search PNAC and Syria, and see 'who profits'. It sure >> as >> >> hell won't be the people of Syria. >> >> >> >> If nothing changes, then nothing changes. >> >> >> >> Scott >> >> >> >> >>From Informed Comment >> >> > >> >> > If the regime did use gas, what are its motives? Iraq used gas in >> the >> >> > 1980s >> >> > because it had far fewer troops than Iran and wanted to level the >> >> playing >> >> > field. Likewise, the Syrian army has shrunk through Sunni >> desertions >> >> to a >> >> > shadow of its former self and so cant control the whole country >> any >> >> more. >> >> > Its recent advances in the Homs area were offset by losses around >> >> Aleppo >> >> > in >> >> > the north, including the fall of a major military air base. >> Weakened >> >> > armies >> >> > facing a demographically larger foe often resort to unconventional >> >> > armaments. >> >> > >> >> > Likewise, the regime clearly is seeking to terrify the population >> into >> >> > submission. Again, Saddam Hussein tried that with the Kurds and >> >> Shiites. >> >> > Mass killings of restive populations by a regime raise the cost of >> >> > insurgency, the regime hopes to unacceptably high levels. Could the >> >> Baath >> >> > have done this? This is the regime that slaughtered at least 10,000 >> at >> >> > Hama >> >> > in 1982, so sure. >> >> > >> >> > >> http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/august/syria-method-in-assad-madness.htm >> >> > >> >> > Method in Assad's madness? >> >> > >> >> > *Syrian regime has little to fear now from using chemical weapons* >> >> > >> >> > [image: Tweet >> >> > this!]<http://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Method%20in%20Assad >> >> >> 's%20madness?%20Syrian%20regime%20has%20little%20to%20fear%20now%20from%20using%20chemical%20weapons%20 >> >> http://bit.ly/14WxsGG%20(al-bab.com)> >> >> > >> >> > The obvious question raised by today's claims of chemical weapons >> >> attacks >> >> > near Damascus is what the Assad regime could expect to gain, if >> indeed >> >> it >> >> > was responsible for them. >> >> > >> >> > Many are asking this question out of scepticism about the reports. >> Why >> >> do >> >> > it when UN weapons inspectors are sitting in their hotel just a few >> >> miles >> >> > from the scene? Why use chemicals when the regime seems to be >> making >> >> > progress on the military front by more conventional means? >> >> > >> >> > These are reasonable questions but they don't necessarily reflect >> the >> >> > Assad >> >> > regime's thought processes: the Baathist mentality has its own kind >> of >> >> > logic. >> >> > >> >> > Let's suppose, purely for the sake of argument, that the regime did >> >> use >> >> > some kind of toxic agent. What are the UN inspectors going to do >> about >> >> it? >> >> > >> >> > Precise details of the inspectors' mandate are secret but the New >> York >> >> > Times >> >> > says< >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/world/middleeast/syria.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&&pagewanted=all >> >> > >> >> > : >> >> > >> >> > "After months of negotiation with the Syrian government about >> access >> >> to >> >> > the >> >> > country, the United Nations said a team of inspectors would >> >> investigate >> >> > three sites, including the village of Khan al-Assal near the >> northern >> >> city >> >> > of Aleppo, where both sides have accused the other of a chemical >> >> attack >> >> on >> >> > March 19 that killed dozens of people. >> >> > >> >> > "The location of the other two sites has not been made public, and >> the >> >> > United Nations team has said it will seek to determine only if >> >> chemical >> >> > weapons were used, not who used them." >> >> > >> >> > It appears from this that today's attacks (it that's what they >> were) >> >> are >> >> > not included, and that even if they were the inspectors would not >> be >> >> > empowered to attribute responsibility for them. >> >> > >> >> > The UN can ask to include today's events of course, but the regime >> >> could >> >> > then drag out discussions until there is little or nothing to be >> >> found. >> >> > Evidence may surface through other channels, only to be dismissed >> by >> >> the >> >> > regime as coming from partisan sources. >> >> > >> >> > The upshot of this is that the chances of the regime being caught >> >> > red-handed, and convincingly so, are fairly slim. At this stage in >> the >> >> > conflict, though, it probably doesn't matter too much to the regime >> >> > whether >> >> > it is caught red-handed or not (as I shall explain in a moment). >> >> > >> >> > On the question of what the regime might gain militarily from such >> >> > attacks, >> >> > the answer may be very little. But that assumes the regime is >> thinking >> >> > only >> >> > in military terms, when the real purpose could be political. One >> >> pointer >> >> > is >> >> > this direction (though it might conceivably be nothing more than >> >> > coincidence) is that the alleged attacks came on the one-year >> >> > anniversary< >> http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/20/world/meast/syria-unrest> >> >> > of >> >> > President Obama's famous "red line" warning against the use of >> >> chemical >> >> or >> >> > biological weapons in Syria a warning that Obama has been >> noticeably >> >> > reluctant to act upon. >> >> > >> >> > As I suggested in a previous blog >> >> > post< >> >> >> http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/may/threats-galore-over-hezbollah-in-syria.htm >> >> >, >> >> > whatever the suspicions about Syrian use of chemical weapons, Obama >> >> would >> >> > probably prefer the charges to remain unproven in order to avoid >> >> > difficult decisions over how to respond. >> >> > >> >> > Internationally, the Syrian regime sees itself as part of the >> >> "resistance" >> >> > bloc, constantly giving the finger to the US and other western >> >> countries, >> >> > as well as to its Arab foes. Assad's strategy from the beginning of >> >> the >> >> > uprising has been to ratchet up the violence step by step, to see >> what >> >> he >> >> > can get away with, before taking it up another notch. >> >> > >> >> > Given this background, Assad may now be calculating that the time >> is >> >> ripe >> >> > to cross Obama's red line with impunity. It's a risk, but if he >> >> succeeds >> >> > he >> >> > will have demonstrated once and for all that where Syria is >> concerned >> >> the >> >> > "international community" is impotent and in total disarray. >> >> > >> >> > Of course, there are expressions of alarm from many capitals, and >> >> calls >> >> > for >> >> > the UN security council to meet. But it is difficult to see what >> they >> >> can >> >> > actually do, considering that the public have so far been in no >> mood >> >> for >> >> > military action. >> >> > >> >> > There is also, of course, the parallel question of Egypt. If Sisi >> can >> >> > massacre people in Egypt with guns while the US dithers over what >> to >> >> do >> >> > about aid, is it really very different if Assad massacres them with >> >> > chemicals? Either way, the people are dead. >> >> > >> >> > So a short alternative answer to the question "why?" is that Assad >> has >> >> > little to lose now from using chemical weapons and potentially a >> lot >> >> to >> >> > gain on the political front. He may well be thinking: "If I can get >> >> away >> >> > with this I can get away with anything." And he could be right. >> >> > >> >> > * >> >> > Posted by Brian Whitaker >> >> > Wednesday, 21 August 2013 * >> >> > >> >> > *Post your comment:* 1 >> >> > Comment< >> >> >> http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/august/syria-method-in-assad-madness.htm#disqus_thread >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > Recent blog posts >> >> > >> >> > Assads >> >> > game-changer< >> >> http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/august/assad-game-changer.htm> >> >> > UN gives Syrian regime the go-ahead for chemical attacks >> >> > >> >> > Method in Assad's >> >> > madness?< >> >> >> http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/august/syria-method-in-assad-madness.htm> >> >> > Syrian regime has little to fear now from using chemical weapons >> >> > >> >> > [image: Halabja, Iraq - 1988. Saddam Hussein gases Kurds in the >> North, >> >> > killing more than 5,000. Eastern Ghouta, Syria - 2013. Bashar Al >> Assad >> >> > gasses the suburbs of Damascus killing more than 1,200. >> >> > ]<http://www.therevoltingsyrian.com/image/59020939608> >> >> > >> >> > Halabja, Iraq - 1988. Saddam Hussein gases Kurds in the North, >> killing >> >> > more >> >> > than 5,000. >> >> > >> >> > Eastern Ghouta, Syria - 2013. Bashar Al Assad gasses the suburbs of >> >> > Damascus killing more than 1,200. >> >> > < >> >> >> http://www.therevoltingsyrian.com/post/59020939608/halabja-iraq-1988-saddam-hussein-gases-kurds >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yw0mvxewAw >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > THIS IS WHAT 50 DEAD CHILDREN BEING PREPARED FOR BURIAL LOOKS LIKE. >> >> > Damascus (Jobar): Aug 21, 2013 - And the world thought pictures >> like >> >> these >> >> > would never be seen again in this day and age, the Age of >> Information. >> >> > These children are a fraction of the (as of this writing) 1,750 >> people >> >> who >> >> > were gassed to death by Assads forces yesterday. As many as 6,000 >> >> other >> >> > people are still fighting for their lives from the effects of the >> >> attack. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.therevoltingsyrian.com/ >> >> > >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [image: Syria Analysis: 4 Points On A Chemical Weapons Attack & >> What >> >> > Happens >> >> > Now]< >> >> >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-analysis-three-points-on-chemical-weapons-attack-what-happens-now/ >> >> > >> >> > Syria Analysis: 4 Points On A Chemical Weapons Attack & What >> Happens >> >> > Now< >> >> >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-analysis-three-points-on-chemical-weapons-attack-what-happens-now/ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > August 22nd, 2013 | *by Joanna Paraszczuk* >> >> > >> >> > On Wednesday, the Assad regime surprised and shocked the world with >> a >> >> wave >> >> > of attacks probably with chemical weapons >> >> > >> >> > Syria <http://eaworldview.com/?cat=123>[image: >> >> > 539059_648575721833058_941259052_n]< >> >> >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-today-a-chemical-weapons-attack-now-a-regime-offensive/ >> >> > >> >> > Syria Today: A Chemical Weapons Attack, & Now A Regime >> >> > Offensive< >> >> >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-today-a-chemical-weapons-attack-now-a-regime-offensive/ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > August 22nd, 2013 | *by Joanna Paraszczuk* >> >> > >> >> > LATEST: Expert: Symptoms Of Attack Victims, as Described by Field >> >> Hospital >> >> > Doctor, Are Consistent With Anti-Cholinesterase Agent Like Sarin >> >> > >> >> > Syria <http://eaworldview.com/?cat=123>[image: Syria 1st-Hand: An >> >> > Eyewitness Account of Wednesdays Regime >> >> > Attacks]< >> >> >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-1st-hand-an-eyewitness-account-of-wednesdays-regime-attacks/ >> >> > >> >> > Syria 1st-Hand: An Eyewitness Account of Wednesdays Regime >> >> > Attacks< >> >> >> http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-1st-hand-an-eyewitness-account-of-wednesdays-regime-attacks/ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > August 22nd, 2013 | *by Scott Lucas* >> >> > >> >> > An eyewitness from Zamalka describes what happened during Wednesday >> >> > mornings attacks. You call these terrorists? 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