> As already noted, that can be done via the user home directory on people.
>
> As I already wrote, having formal releases of Labs code will
> effectively turn it into an umbrella TLP, with absolutely no common
> theme between projects.
> Is that really what we want to create?
> If so, let's restart Jakarta and give it a wider scope.

What is labs now? An umbrella without releases. Or is an umbrella
project defined because many components can create releases? Then we
need to think about Commons. Honestly, experimental releases - do you
really give them the same importance as standard releases? Anyway,
people-releases are possible at least....

>> There are some signs that some Labs PMC people are starting to think
>> this might be ok, i think its just going to take some time.
>
> I think it's a bad idea, unless we really want an umbrella PMC.
> Unfortunately time sometimes favours bad ideas.

Labs is a place for innovation:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/labs/?sortby=date#dirlist

magma and jaxmas have had commits in the past 6 or 8 weeks, then comes
the site. Most projects have commits older than 1 year, several of
them idled out. Either we are not doing much innovation or people are
innovating at googlecode or github. I think it is the latter one.

I can only bring experiments to the labs and cannot make releases. It
is much easier to develop outside the ASF and in case come back
through the incubator. And this is what Mladen did (assuming he did
from his mails, not knowing) and what I have done the past weeks.

Labs should become at least more of a "global sandbox" character to
become useful.

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