On 9/2/2011 5:08 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> I agree. I'd say we are about 50/50 right now. My concern is that
>> nobody has yet addressed the real reasons why releases are not allowed
>> (in a nutshell that it would become a way to circumvent the
>> incubator).
> 
> If a labs project cannot vote in an external committer - wouldn't this
> solve the "bypass the incubator" issue?
> A labs project cannot become a top level project without going through
> the incubator, this would surely help too.
> 
> Furthermore:
> - releases can be made, marked with -experimental
[...]

It is not possible to release code from the ASF without three binding
votes to release.  That the board will not change.  This is a matter
of oversight, not code quality or other trivial issues.

So by definition, when you have three committers reviewing all the
releases, you already have established enough traction to become a
full fledged incubator project.

Any code released by the ASF is a collaborative work, if not initially
then in maintenance and further development.  Joe Schmoe can certainly
author a code base, but if he wants to release it as an ASF work, then
he's opening it up to corrections and improvement by its community.

It isn't possible in labs to bring in external community members, so
a release from the labs circumvents this fundamental principal.





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