> On 7 Feb 2017, at 11:01, Danny Angus <da...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Right Labs subscribers, listen up...
> 
> At the last board meeting we were put on notice that we should stir
> ourselves into action or be prepared to close down.
> 
> So I am looking for volunteers to do some outreach and awareness work with
> commiters to see if we can generate wider participation in the debate about
> our future, and hopefully from that to a proposal that would make labs
> useful and relevant, and volunteers to execute it.
> 
> I'd now like to discuss possible activities here, agree a list of tasks and
> find volunteers.
I think we need to have another discussion first, before adding many activities.

Long time ago, I tried approx. what you are trying, and I still believe there 
is a space for a project like LABS, but we need to have a defined identify.

An important comparison is against GitHub, currently we do not offer any real 
advantages, but a couple of disadvantages (like the time it takes to create a 
new project). We could easily provide LABS with some advantages:
- be a foster home for project too small to start in Incubator and provide e.g. 
mentoring (something the GitHub totally lacks), with the aim that as the 
project hopefully grows it enters Incubator.
- make more active advertisement of active project among the ASF community to 
attract more developers.
- Remove the “no release” blocker, which was a very good reason not to make a 
LABS project.
  Remove might not be the right word, but allow release with a set of 
restrictions (e.g. clearly mark releases as LABS releases, and not a normal ASF 
release).

> 
> My proposal so far has..
> First task is to revamp our website, to communicate that we are moving into
> this phase.
+1
> 
> Second task is to prep some permalinked content describing ourselves, e.g.
> an ASF blog post
for that we need to know our “identity"
> 
> Third task is to draft an email to commiters@ linking to the blog post,
> website, and perhaps a survey.
Can be done, but I am unsure what the survey should contain, a total “how do 
you want our identity to be”, will most likely not provide much information, we 
can convert to a task list.

> 
> What do you think?
I hope LABS can be revived.

> What other ideas do we have?
See above.

rgds
jan I.


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