A while ago the ASF accepted target donations, but no project tried to
take advantage of that yet. There are reasons, I won't get into that
now. In Fundraising we are looking at possible solutions for that and
one of them is somewhat related to Vineet's proposal below.
However, this would be a completely different LABS than what was
initially intended and probably the whole PMC would need to be revamped
somehow. This LABS would most address devops, continuous delivery, cloud
computing more and developing a project.
I think that would have significant value and I think it would have the
potential to even bring new revenue streams for the ASF and I would
support it not only as a member but with the fundraising hat on too.
My proposal would be slightly different than Vineet's as I am not sure
that VMs, docker containers and Jenkins pipelines should be the output,
but before we start discussing options the PMC would have to agree on
changing the charter for the LABS or not.
My $0.02,
Hadrian
On 02/07/2017 05:50 AM, Verma, Vineet wrote:
Hi Guys,
I have a suggestion that I had used earlier for my projects and also seen in
Oracle Website.
Most projects in apache directory have a learning curve and all have some basic
installation steps.
What I was suggesting was as LABS, lets provide Virtual Machines ready built
with projects already loaded.
So for example, if you want an Apache Directory example lab, therefore people
can download the latest VM with latest Apache Directory installation from LABS
to their local machine and test the same.
The VM can be of Windows/Linux OS. Even Ubuntu or Docker Images can be used for
Open Source issues.
Pipelines can be setup in Jenkins or other build tools to generate such VMs
using chef and puppet.
Hosting such VMs can be a space issue though but this can become very popular
very soon.
Also Labs can contain Custom Images from users who wish to contribute and have
applied one or more combination of products.
This way the concept would become popular for try and use concept.
What say..??
Regards
Vineet Verma
-----Original Message-----
From: jan iversen [mailto:jancasacon...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 15:50
To: labs@labs.apache.org
Subject: Re: Revitalising Apache Labs
On 7 Feb 2017, at 11:01, Danny Angus <da...@apache.org> wrote:
Right Labs subscribers, listen up...
At the last board meeting we were put on notice that we should stir
ourselves into action or be prepared to close down.
So I am looking for volunteers to do some outreach and awareness work
with commiters to see if we can generate wider participation in the
debate about our future, and hopefully from that to a proposal that
would make labs useful and relevant, and volunteers to execute it.
I'd now like to discuss possible activities here, agree a list of
tasks and find volunteers.
I think we need to have another discussion first, before adding many activities.
Long time ago, I tried approx. what you are trying, and I still believe there
is a space for a project like LABS, but we need to have a defined identify.
An important comparison is against GitHub, currently we do not offer any real
advantages, but a couple of disadvantages (like the time it takes to create a
new project). We could easily provide LABS with some advantages:
- be a foster home for project too small to start in Incubator and provide e.g.
mentoring (something the GitHub totally lacks), with the aim that as the
project hopefully grows it enters Incubator.
- make more active advertisement of active project among the ASF community to
attract more developers.
- Remove the “no release” blocker, which was a very good reason not to make a
LABS project.
Remove might not be the right word, but allow release with a set of
restrictions (e.g. clearly mark releases as LABS releases, and not a normal ASF
release).
My proposal so far has..
First task is to revamp our website, to communicate that we are moving
into this phase.
+1
Second task is to prep some permalinked content describing ourselves, e.g.
an ASF blog post
for that we need to know our “identity"
Third task is to draft an email to commiters@ linking to the blog
post, website, and perhaps a survey.
Can be done, but I am unsure what the survey should contain, a total “how do
you want our identity to be”, will most likely not provide much information, we
can convert to a task list.
What do you think?
I hope LABS can be revived.
What other ideas do we have?
See above.
rgds
jan I.
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