Hi Kathy !

For once, I have read all of the previous responses before launching into
what I had intended to say!!  And it shortened my response considerably,
because I agree with all that has been said.

AND...  I have a few additional things to suggest.  If you're really
wanting to get used to continental bobbins for whatever reason, there are
three things that will make your work less frustrating:  

First:  don't try to work on a "dome" cookie pillow.  The shape of the
pillow "insists" that the continentals roll about.  A FLAT cookie is much
more suitable for continental bobbins.  Second:  don't put your pillow on
anything that sets it at an angle facing toward you.  Ideally, with
continental bobbins on a cookie pillow, the pillow will be flat.  (In fact,
Holly VanSciver tells her students that all pillows should be as flat as
you can stand!)  And finally, instead of using a plain cotton work cloth, I
suggest that you get a piece of "ultrasuede" for your work cloth.  This
isn't a good idea with spangled bobbins (they drag too much), but the
lovely soft texture of the ultrasuede keeps those continentals happily in
place where you put them - unless you've set your pillow to an angle where
the laws of gravity take over!!

I love my spangled bobbins for English laces!!  The "bonus" of the
aesthetic appearance of my tools always pleases me when I'm working with
them.  I also love my (tiny) Binche bobbins!  I usually have LOTS more
bobbins on my pillow when I'm working Binche, and so I appreciate the
economy of space which they provide, AND they're delightful in their own
way.  Plus, as someone else said, a heavier bobbin would just tear the tiny
thread all to pieces!

When I first started making lace, everything was done with the spangled
bobbins.  It was only after I had tried a lace and determined that I liked
it enough to pursue it that I bothered to buy more bobbins.  It worked for
me!  

And, BTW,  when I worked Milanese (which I love!) I decided that the
"hands-down" best bobbin for that lace is something relatively new with
vendors:  it's called an "International Square" bobbin, and both Holly
VanSciver and Lacy Susan carry it.  There are two advantages to this
bobbin:  it has a squared off "bottom" which cuts down on the rolling
about, and it has a double head.  I love working Milanese lace in those
yummy silk colors, and silks absolutely MUST have double hitches or you'll
go bananas just keeping the bobbins from flying completely off the pillow!!
AND they're not expensive.  So that would be my recommendation for your
Milanese Continental bobbins.  

Clay

Clay Blackwell
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> From: Kathy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have been making lace for many years using spangled bobbins (Torchon, 
> Beds, Brugge Bloomwerk, various tape laces).  I decided to treat myself 
> to a few new books at Christmas time (Honiton and Milanese).  It was 
> suggested  when I bought the books that I might want to try Continental 
> bobbins and I got some Swiss ones.  I have been trying out the Milanese 
> patterns, and these bobbins are driving me nuts.  They are so light and 
> bouncy and they don't stay put very well so the threads are constantly 
> getting tangled up.  I have been using a 16" cookie pillow to practice 
> with.  I am wondering if it is worth it to try and get used to these 
> bobbins, or will my spangled ones cause even more trouble as I get more 
> involved in doing these types of lace?  Is this style of bobbin used 
> mostly because of tradition?  I have not had trouble in the past using 
> the spangled bobbins with sewings if that is the reason for using them.  
> If it's just a matter of practicing with these bobbins in order to make 
> the lace easier, I'm willing to do that, but if there is really no good 
> reason to, I might as well learn to do the lace and not worry about the 
> bobbins jumping all over.  Will the Honiton be harder to learn with the 
> spangled bobbins?  Any help will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kathy
>
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