This is getting more complicated than my small brain can absorb, but if I
understand your thrust --

You need to consider that (at least in hand spinning, I don't know about
commerically produced thread) that the fibers are spun one way, then plied
from the last end back again.  And then wound into whatever skein/ball one
ends up with.

If anything like hand spinning, I think the whole discussion is reduced to
"my mother told me ...  Because who knows how many times back and forth the
plies have been taken?

Regards,
Carolyn

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> >My take is that it is the way thread is twisted in the manufacturing 
> >process
> >that matters.  You want to thread it in a needle in the same 
> direction as it 
> >comes off the manufacturer's spinning equipment.  The tiny 
> fiber ends will lay 
> >down better in that direction and not be bent backwards 
> (against the grain).  
> 
> The end that comes off the manufacturer's spinning equipment 
> is the end that is at the start of the reel/cop it is wound 
> onto, not the end... in hand spinning (spindle - I haven't 
> experience of wheel) the fibre ends face away from the end 
> being added to - ie towards the spindle. It follows that if 
> this end was then wound onto a reel (rather than being made 
> into a "butterfly" on the hand from which you can draw the correct
> end) then the end coming from the reel would have the fibre 
> ends facing the needle, not away from it. This is why you 
> pull thread from the centre of a skein, and wool from the 
> centre of the ball.
> 
> In the manufacturing process, is the resulting product wound 
> immediately onto the small, 100m (etc) reels we buy, or is 
> there an intermediate large cop (after all, most thread is 
> produced for garment manufacturers who use much larger 
> quantities - the domestic market is a spin-off, if you will 
> excuse the pun)?
> 
> My grandmother (wardrobe mistress to the Royal Shakespeare 
> Touring Company during the early 1900s) always said to thread 
> the needle with the "end from the reel". This is ambiguous - 
> the end away from the reel, or the end nearest to the reel? 
> Using reeled threads on sewing machines shows that some 
> threads "shed" more than others, (even threads of the same 
> manufacturer!) so I suspect that these threads are wound the 
> other way onto the reel (ie the rough end comes off first). 
> Presumably a case of always test the nap direction before 
> starting a new reel? 
> -- 
> Jane Partridge
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