Reporting back: So far I have received three individual messages with suggestions for the *tallies* re: Russian Lace Korableva/Cook book (Vyatskii Doll pattern) -and since I receive the digested version there may be more of you writing to the arachne url and I haven't received a digest yet. I just mention this so you will not think I've overlooked any suggestions.

Summarizing so far.....

(1) Windmill crossing - and on further checking in the Alexandra Stillwell Illus. Dic of Lacemaking, I found a description (pg. 239) for two crossings - either/or would work I think, but the (b) option sounds best suited for my space needing to be filled.

(2) Circles (or 'wheelies') - two plaits coming in as 'spokes' to make the circle. I checked out the references Alice - thank you - and I see on pg 106 (Camomile) a diagram for wheels made with three plaits. It will be a challenge for me, but I will try to adapt the method using two plaits.

(3) Diagram (rec'd by attachment) showing two plaits coming in, one 'splits' and goes around the outside while the other makes a small weaved style of tally inside - that is the best I can do with 'words' to describe the procedure and I apologize if I haven't done justice. The diagram is very nicely done

I am going to try all three of these suggestions and if any others arrive via the digested version - I will try them too. These will make good samples for me to use for further references.

Thanks very much to Alice, Clay, Bev and Tamara - and a note just in from Jane - who mentions *whirlpools*. Alice, maybe this is the name you were looking for - so that would be three votes for 'whirlpool/circles'!


Nova


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alice Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Nova P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] Russian Lace


Hi. The figures in the face of the doll on p. 24 are not tallies. They are really circles, but since they have only four spokes, it's gives a squarish look to them. I'm sure there is a specific name for these...which someone will inform us. They can be made with four, six, eight spokes, and the worker pair goes round and round the central crossing, doing a sewing on each spoke. It reminds me of the center of a spider web.

There are others in the book that might be easier to see, though most of them have more spokes.
p. 127 -- center of lowest flower (8 spokes)
p. 107 -- center of all flowers and some of the background (six spokes)

p. 33 -- center of top two feathers (8 spokes)
You can find others if you page through the book.

I don't think directions for this stitch are in 'Practical Skills'. Perhaps someone can recommend a reference on the internet or in another book. Contact me privately if you want specific coaching on the stitch.

Alice in Oregon -- nearing the end of a severe winter rain storm, Got my flu shot today.


----- Original Message ----
From: Nova P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:09:05 PM
Subject: [lace] Russian Lace

Hello Lacemakers -      I have a question regarding 'tallies' in Russian
Lace.  Not the usual leaf tallies - but a square tally.  Now I do have on
hand a copy of 'Practical Skills' and have found some very nice square tally directions - from which I can make a selection. But first.... I'd like to
ask the opinion of those who have a copy of Russian Lace Patterns (Anna
Korableva & Bridget M.Cook) - if you wouldn't mind looking at the Vyatskii
Doll pattern, in my copy on page 24, please?\

The face of the doll has what I think are a square tally, but looking
closely <squinting> I cannot identify the style. They do not look like they are 'woven' and I wondered, if in fact, there might be a specific procedure
for Russian lace tallies of this shape?

I would welcome your opinions and especially if anyone has made this
pattern - if they would share with me how they made these tallies.

Thanks so much for any help offered - I don't write in often but read up on all the great hints, bargains found, and interesting travels and experiences
of the many of you!   Especially enjoyed the recent lace portraits!

Nova (along  the inside passage of Vancouver Island, B.C. west coast of
Canada)

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