I wasn't talking about a new code, just a subtag. The question is which one, and whether it should be registered or should we just make up something and use it. בתאריך 28 באוג׳ 2015 07:57, "Jan van Steenbergen" <[email protected]> כתב:
> Dear all, > > The odds for Simple English obtaining an ISO 639-3 code are zilch, because > these codes are given to languages and Simple English is not a language, at > least not a language separate from English. It's merely a way of speaking > and writing it – just like "difficult English", children's English, broken > English or even Pig Latin are. It doesn't have any rules of its own, no > separate grammar and no separate word stock, all it does is saying: "Try to > write in short sentences and avoid difficult words". You can do the same > thing with any other language as well, which might equally well result in > Simple German, Simple Rhaeto-Romance or Simple Inuktitut. > > The only small change would be applying for an ISO code for Ogden's Basic > English, which is generally treated as a constructed language. But that > would be cheating, because the Simple English Wikipedia does not limit > itself to Ogden's word lists, even though it endorses them. Besides, the > ISO registration authority is pretty tough nowadays when it comes to > constructed languages, and I don't think they would accept Basic English. > > Best regards, > Jan van Steenbergen > > 2015-08-25 20:25 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>: > >> Indeed, that's a problem! >> >> Imho, we'll have to deal with the status of Simple English in general. >> Any chance of successfully applying an ISO code for it? Otherwise, we'll >> run into more problems like this one >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Simple_English> >> [1] with new project applications (for example, see Jon Harald's reply >> under "arguments in favour"). >> While Wikipedia <https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English> [2] >> defines Basic English (on which Simple English is based) as constructed >> language in its own right, that definition doesn't seem to have been >> accepted widely. >> >> If push comes to shove, I'd vote for en-simple. I had actually assumed >> that that was its encoding used already (based on the URL *simple*. >> wikipedia.org). >> >> Fwiw, >> Oliver >> >> [1] >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Simple_English >> [2] https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English >> >> On 25-Aug-15 7:35 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> A question for the respected language code experts in the audience. >> >> Apparently, the Simple English Wikipedia uses "en" as its language code >> in the HTML lang attribute, etc. >> >> I never noticed it until recently, when it started causing various bugs >> with the ContentTranslation extension of which I am a developer. I somehow >> assumed that it uses something like "en-simple" without ever checking it, >> and that assumption was wrong - it's just "en". >> >> I believe that the code should be different from what is used by the >> English Wikipedia, like it is with other wikis in language variants, such >> as be-tarask. >> >> Do you have any suggestions about what code should it be? >> en-simple? >> en-x-simple? >> Something else? >> Should I register anything new with any standards organization? (If I >> recall correctly, this was done for be-tarask?) >> Can I reuse any existing code that would be appropriate? >> Is it a bad idea in general and it should be just "en"? >> >> Thanks! >> >> (PS: If you're curious what are the issues, see >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110190 ) >> >> -- >> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי >> http://aharoni.wordpress.com >> “We're living in pieces, >> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing >> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >
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