Indeed - although he does not recommend a separate wikipedia for
Maaluli, he writes about it:
"Maaluli – Modern Western Aramaic. We have found it expedient to publish
in both the Western Syriac script and in Arabic script, given the level
of Arabic penetration. One scholar claimed Maaluli should be seen as an
Arabic dialect – the structure however is clearly Aramaic."
He also mentions Maaluli when commenting on the expediency of separate
wikipedias - and may not have recommended one for Maaluli due to its
small size in number of speakers. Here's the relevant excerpt from his
message:
" I think that for Suryoyo/Turoyo, Chaldean, and Assyrian there can be a
case for independent wikipedias. The degree of linguistic difference is
great enough. Even between Chaldean and Assyrian. The Maaluli shares
less with Suryoyo than Suryoyo does with Assyrian – but the Maaluli
community is smaller. What is the smallest community that can support a
wikipedia? This may not be a useful question, since there are versions
in Manx, Cornish, and Volapük! I do not think Chaldean and Assyrian can
productively be combined – there are too many lexical and morphological
differences. The question is, should a hypothetical Chaldean version use
Syriac or Arabic script? Could there be demand for both? Experience
suggests that Arabic script might be a better choice."
He then still suggests that Maaluli use Western Syriac script like arc:wp.
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 26-Jan-17 21:36, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Thanks a lot, this sounds good. I doubt that I can do any better.
Just out of curiosity, did he also say anything about Maaluli? That's
actually the one that I hear most often as an example of a modern
living Aramaic (although it’s not necessarily the one with the most
speakers).
בתאריך 26 בינו׳ 2017 11:32, "Oliver Stegen" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> כתב:
Hoi,
I've received a lengthy answer from Patrick R Bennett (Principal
of the The Jerome Institute, and Prof. Emeritus of the University
of Wisconsin-Madison) who is the main linguistic consultant of the
Aramaic Bible translation project in the U.S., with translations
into five language varieties.
He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the
Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another
thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status
of Modern Mandaic."
So, Amir, you may want to continue your search for an Aramaic
language expert in Israel.
Prof Bennett then continues to distinguish four languages varieties:
* Maaluli (Modern Western Aramaic)
* Suryoyo / Turoyo
* Chaldean
* Assyrian
(He has longer explanation on each variety but I'll spare you the
details unless you insist me posting them here.)
To cut a long story short, he thinks that, in addition to Syriac
which represents a classical proto-language (like Latin for
Spanish, Italian etc), "for Suryoyo/Turoyo, Chaldean, and Assyrian
there can be a case for independent wikipedias. [...] I do not
think Chaldean and Assyrian can productively be combined – there
are too many lexical and morphological differences."
On scripts, Prof Bennett suggests the following (NB: the Syriac
wikipedia is written in Western Syriac script):
* Suryoyo – Western Syriac script
* Chaldean – Arabic script
* Assyrian – Eastern Syriac script
Again, I can forward more details from his original post, if
necessary. He closes with "I hope this helps. More detail and
further discussion of course can be provided if desired."
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 24-Jan-17 12:50, Oliver Stegen wrote:
I've contacted the Aramaic BT team
(http://www.aramaicbible.org/our-team.html
<http://www.aramaicbible.org/our-team.html>) two of whom I know
personally. I'll let you know when they respond on the question
of dialect (i.e. possibly combinable into arc:wp) vs language
(i.e. probably needing a distinct wp).
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 19-Jan-17 16:13, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Maybe, I can think of a couple of names.
--
Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2017-01-19 7:06 GMT-08:00 Milos Rancic <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> So we need an expert.
Anyone in Israel? I mean, Israel seems to me like a good
place to
search for an expert in Aramaic languages.
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