Thank you, Jan - very helpful!
I herewith drop my opposition to nl.wikinews.org being re-opened again.
I'm still not convinced that it will be sustainable in the long run -
after all, it has been closed before [1] - but the requirements have
been met. So, I'm now neutral, i.e. _*don't*_ count me as a yes vote.
Fwiw,
Oliver
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Dutch_Wikinews
On 29-May-17 23:37, Jan van Steenbergen wrote:
The accusation that the main editor is a blocked (ex-)contributor to
WP:NL is incorrect. I take it the person you're hinting at is De
Wikischim. Well, I can tell you this: DW is a long-time Wikipedia
editor with an improbably high number of edits. The problem with him
is, in short, that he is unaware of his own limitations. He has a
habit of voicing opinions and editing articles about subjects he
doesn't know anything about, which causes irritation among several
other users. Besides, he is overly present in discussions about
policies, moderators and other meta stuff. At last, his discussion
methods are not appreciated by many (constantly repeating the same
arguments instead of answering questions, ad hominems, starting the
same discussion elsewhere when he can't get his way, etc.). On the
other hand, I should also mention that he is a good-willing, friendly
and helpful person in general, with undeniable linguistic skills, and
that the overall picture of his contributions to WP:NL is still a
positive one.
Apart from DW, I can see three others who are active on that project.
One of them I don't know, the other two are unproblematic regular
editors of WP:NL.
I don't care much for Wikinews and it is certainly true that the
presence of DW will prevent some other people from editing there
(although I doubt very much if that situation would have been any
different without DW). However, about the people I know I can at least
tell you that they are not likely to suddenly lose interest or
something. From that point of view, I'd say: let the numbers speak for
themselves. If there is a rule that says minimum X months of constant
activity by at least Y users, and that condition has been fulfilled,
then there is no reason to make an exception here.
Otherwise, I'd say: let's see how it evolves. If activity won't fade
even during the next (half) year, then I'd give it a go.
Cheers,
Jan
2017-05-29 22:29 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
Thanks for making us aware of this.
I cannot say that I had a particular opinion to start with,
especially not being familiar with Wikinews. However, having read
some guidelines, particularly on content [1] and on writing [2],
and then comparing that with the arguments in the discussion [3]
and what has been posted on nl:wn/incubator (I do read Dutch!), I
have to say that the case does not convince me.
1. the accusation that a significant amount of articles is simply
copied from other news outlets (in violation of WN:OR) seems to be
accurate.
2. the accusation that the main editor is a blocked
(ex-)contributor to nl:wp seems to be accurate.
3. while this is actually the fourth month that the minimum of
three editors have been active, the competencies needed to keep a
distinctive Wikinews project running do not look promising in this
little group.
All of this to say that I am not confident that this project will
be viable if it leaves the Incubator. (And I'm not claiming that
it would be viable in the Incubator either.) I'd be happy to be
proven wrong and convinced otherwise, so I'm all ears.
Fwiw,
Oliver
[1] https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Content_guide
<https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Content_guide>
[2] https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Writing_an_article
<https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Writing_an_article>
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Request_for_launching_Wikinews.2C_Dutch_version
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Request_for_launching_Wikinews.2C_Dutch_version>
On 29-May-17 21:08, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Hi,
Some people wondered about the state of Dutch Wikinews at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#No_answers_from_Language_committ.C3.A9e
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#No_answers_from_Language_committ.C3.A9e>
There was already some discussion about it at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Request_for_launching_Wikinews.2C_Dutch_version
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Request_for_launching_Wikinews.2C_Dutch_version>
and there were different opinions.
I'm neutral about this matter. Does anybody in the committee have
a particular opinion on it?
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